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Old 07-28-2017, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Texas
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The ACA will implode and crumble in the end, it's just gone to hurt more taxpaying Americans on the way now. No skin off my back.


I'm eagerly awaiting the Democrat plan to reform the ACA. They can come up with a bipartisan plan now, using McCain and Collins. When will that be presented? Or is the Democrat plan to just let it implode?

Now's the time for single payer.

Actually, we're decades behind schedule.

Unfortunately for American families, the insurance lobby will win and they'll lose.

Again.
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Old 07-28-2017, 10:34 AM
 
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Now's the time for single payer.

Actually, we're decades behind schedule.

Unfortunately for American families, the insurance lobby will win and they'll lose.

Again.
Democrats refused to vote for single payer earlier this week. Guess you'll have to start voting third party.
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Old 07-28-2017, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Democrats refused to vote for single payer earlier this week. Guess you'll have to start voting third party.
Single payer will never pass until progressive Democrats (not DINOs) controls 60 seats in the Senate, the House and the Presidency. Don't kid yourself. That amendment was purely for show if you think somehow Paul Ryan will pass single payer in his chamber.
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Old 07-28-2017, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Democrats refused to vote for single payer earlier this week.
The Pub who offered that fake amendment wouldn't vote for it, either.

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Guess you'll have to start voting third party.
When you're reduced to guessing, you should expect to be wrong.

Carry on.

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Old 07-28-2017, 10:47 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Thank God for small miracles.
Really,What exactly was "miraculous" about it? What did we as a nation gain by allowing the debacle known as Obamacare to survive another day?
More people losing insurance due to either costs or lack of insurance companies willing to deal with the mess?

McCain knows he's done as an elected official and so doesn't give a damn what his constituents think or how screwed his fellow citizens of AZ are with respect to Obamacare, he's just trying to get further into the history books as some kind of gutsy hero...
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Old 07-28-2017, 10:52 AM
 
Location: The High Desert
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All Obamacare needed was some improvements. It works for millions of people as is, and only needs some changes to make it better for all. But Trump and the GOP were not out to improve healthcare, they were out to shove it out the door, just to wipe Obama's face in the mud.:
The "Obamacare" label irks them more than anything else. Healthcare lobbyists invented that name as a way of ridiculing and demeaning healthcare legislation. That backfired. The ACA is largely a GOP creation already with roots back in Massachusetts and Romney. They can't do any better because, given the constraints of the insurance and healthcare industry and lobby, this is about as good as it gets. It needs some improvements and they need to rationally work on that. This is a healthcare issue, not a tax break issue for the rich. Until there is real reform in the insurance and healthcare industries and they kick the lobbyists to the curb we will have a crazy patchwork system of ACA, Medicaid, Medicare, private insurance and employer coverage. We will end up with a single-payer national system at some point but not until they rein in the lobbyists and their bosses.
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Old 07-28-2017, 12:19 PM
 
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The ACA will implode and crumble in the end, it's just gone to hurt more taxpaying Americans on the way now. No skin off my back.


I'm eagerly awaiting the Democrat plan to reform the ACA. They can come up with a bipartisan plan now, using McCain and Collins. When will that be presented? Or is the Democrat plan to just let it implode?

The ACA was a good plan addressing the needs of 30 million uninsured Americans, in their hundreds of failed attempts to repeal it from the get go the Republicans did the next best thing they could and that was to defund the program resulting in higher prices. I cant believe whatever the plans problems might be they cant be fixed but its not about the plan its about deligitimizing the previous Presidents every accomplishment,Afterall we cant have a black man dictating American policy can we now.
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Old 07-28-2017, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Now's the time for single payer.

Actually, we're decades behind schedule.

Unfortunately for American families, the insurance lobby will win and they'll lose.

Again.
The insurance lobby is a by product of progressivism. Less government, less need for the lobbyists. We need more competition, especially at the pharmaceutical level.
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Old 07-28-2017, 01:33 PM
 
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This. McCain probably would've won that election if it wasn't for that horrible choice for VP.

No way. McCain was down in the polls and chose Palin to recharge his campaign. Then, she tanked his chances.

I did not hate him but wouldn't vote for an old war hawk.
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Old 07-28-2017, 01:49 PM
 
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Did it die of anorexia? Probably more of bulimia since it was a barf bag of a bill.
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