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Explain that to liberals who want the racist old white men out of history books. Founding daddy's be dammed. Most of them can't even find their own daddy's so its no surprise they have daddy issues.
Public schools are horrible. I went to them for a while, until my father realized I wasn't learning anything of value, but there was always the threat that I would get hooked into drugs or some other bad habits he and mom tried so hard to keep me out of. So, he took me out and had me home schooled. My cousins were also either homeschooled, or their parents put them into private Christian schools. I thank God that they did this. I run into people who are 30, 25, 18, who grew up in our school systems, and I am like, we are so doomed. These people are some of the most dumbest I have ever known, and what's scary, is that they think they are smart.
Last month, I went to a museum with a couple of my friends who were hard core democratic supporters no questions asked, about 25, and they both come from broken families due to the dads refusal to be faithful to their women. Well, I was reading a scroll by some author from the 1600, and one of my friends came up to me and asked if I could read that. I told them of course I could, I was taught this in the third grade. It was in cursive. Both he and my other friend said their schools stopped teaching cursive when they went, so they never learned. I didn't know what to say, but it still bothers me, because so many historical documents were written in cursive, and now our kids do not know how to read it, to fact check these documents themselves.
It's bad enough so many schools are taking out stuff like mechanics, shop, cooking and home economics. Heck, right now, I can see what will be the life blood of this nation the way things are going. Electricians, plumbers, construction workers and auto mechanics. It's not that it's a dying field, it's just the schools are not letting kids know that there are career opportunities out there in those fields for them. Instead, they just teach them fluff, and strive to be athletes and maybe you can get a scholarship on your athletic prowess.
Nonsense, as usual. You are addressing liberals so:
Liberal here, my ancestors were here in 1620 and a lot more came around 1636 and some as late as 1700. MANY Revolutionary War veterans. I don't want any founding fathers out of the history books and the rest of what you said is more nonsense. I'd be very surprised if you ever come out with anything that is true or makes sense.
I didn't make the links up. Its pham's fault.
You don't like the information so you make it about the messenger. It makes me laugh.
I notice you don't address the information in them or dispute it.
Its not conservatives dumbing the youth down and ending history requirements.
You don't like the information so you make it about the messenger. It makes me laugh.
I notice you don't address the information in them or dispute it.
Its not conservatives dumbing the youth down and ending history requirements.
Liberals in California want to eliminate the algebra requirement to earn a 2 year Associate's Degree because math is "too hard" for Black and Brown. So, yeah... it's liberals who are dumbing down the country.
Already the animals in the swamp are unhappy about their potential removal on both sides. If they make us all smarter the swamp might just dry up. So as a politician, what's the incentive of the smart bill? lol
Public schools are horrible. I went to them for a while, until my father realized I wasn't learning anything of value, but there was always the threat that I would get hooked into drugs or some other bad habits he and mom tried so hard to keep me out of. So, he took me out and had me home schooled. My cousins were also either homeschooled, or their parents put them into private Christian schools. I thank God that they did this. I run into people who are 30, 25, 18, who grew up in our school systems, and I am like, we are so doomed. These people are some of the most dumbest I have ever known, and what's scary, is that they think they are smart.
Last month, I went to a museum with a couple of my friends who were hard core democratic supporters no questions asked, about 25, and they both come from broken families due to the dads refusal to be faithful to their women. Well, I was reading a scroll by some author from the 1600, and one of my friends came up to me and asked if I could read that. I told them of course I could, I was taught this in the third grade. It was in cursive. Both he and my other friend said their schools stopped teaching cursive when they went, so they never learned. I didn't know what to say, but it still bothers me, because so many historical documents were written in cursive, and now our kids do not know how to read it, to fact check these documents themselves.
It's bad enough so many schools are taking out stuff like mechanics, shop, cooking and home economics. Heck, right now, I can see what will be the life blood of this nation the way things are going. Electricians, plumbers, construction workers and auto mechanics. It's not that it's a dying field, it's just the schools are not letting kids know that there are career opportunities out there in those fields for them. Instead, they just teach them fluff, and strive to be athletes and maybe you can get a scholarship on your athletic prowess.
Well your anecdotal evidence clearly trumps all. I guess the public schools by me who regularly send kids to the Ivy league and other top 50 colleges stink too then now
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Stop pushing 1 hour of homework per each class.
Stop teaching them to pass a test. You're only encouraging a regurgitation of information. Retention of what was taught.
Stop the standardised testing.
Everything I hated about school essentially. Somehow they made it happen in Finland and it worked...
Haha who used to have to do "book reports"? I did. I never read a single one. Summary on the back, skim a few chapters, and wham! B/B+
Homework questions based on reading, easy. Look at the questions, the answer usually was given in the question... In chapter ____ describe what the protagonist goes through well that was easy. Skim. Find it. Summarize what happened and give my point of view or regurgitate what was in the chapter.
Want an essay 3 pages long double spaced. I might get a solid 2 pages. Change the font size by .5 change the spacing a bit use big words and have a 3 page report.
50 questions of math per chapter, and 3 chapters of reading? How about I'll do 10 per chapter that are worth the most points and get a C.
US history? Breeze. Skip doing homework in history and economics class since homework was only 15% of the grade, turn on the history channel you know, when it actually used to have history not pawn brokers or junk dealers, read books on wars, hang out with old folks listen to them reminisce... get As on essays and tests. Could sleep through the class and did... one upped the history teacher in 10th grade
Health. That was easy. Mom's a nurse. Ask her questions.
Spanish, easy. Had friends who spoke fluent Spanish that was another easy A.
The only classes I actually applied myself in were phys ed, smoked every fitness test, shop classes, instead of art, I took something useful, DDP, Auto Cad, and architecture, I could only draw cars trucks and bikes. (Ask me to paint you a picture. Pfft. I'll go Bob Ross and paint you a happy little rock) and the intro to business management and accounting.
There's a system to everything and I always try to figure it out. Work smarter not harder. Why waste my time after school to do homework when I can be out making money? And still pass get decent grades? Quality over quantity every time. Worked for me. College was awesome. Homework wasn't even a thing.
Why do all of that work for nothing? Time has value. I'm not wasting it on homework.
If you can't teach me what you say I need to know in 1 hour, you're doing it wrong.
I don't believe it but we have some common ground here. There is definitely an over abundance of homework on our school system couples with over emphasis to teach to the test rather than focus on collaborative learning. We should also be teaching basic life skills like balancing a checkbook or how to use debt as a tool rather than a weapon against ones self. We should also drop he notion that everyone needs to go to college and borrow a note from Europe and figure out which students would be best served by learning a trade rather than waste time putting them on A college prep track.
Ok, you're right, you didn't say all liberals and I apologies for misreading what you wrote.
So you say you like differing opinions: let's test that.
What if there's a more cynical aspect to not teaching history?
Consider this; someone college students says they're a history major. What's the usual response? "What are you going to do with that?"
Education has largely been converted to purely jobs training. A certain amount of that can be important. Learning basic math is a good idea for any job. But it's not just about jobs. For most jobs, scientific literacy does not matter. What a proper science education can do though is make someone more thoughtful and observant, as well as teaching them the value of questioning things.
We have a problem where people who want to study philosophy or history are essentially viewed as useless. People are encouraged to get more pragmatic degrees, like business. The skills of which you'd probably be better learning on the job, rather than spending thousands of dollars to get a degree.
I agree, we have an education problem in this country. Characterizing it as one of mostly liberals is a dangerous move. That maybe wasn't your intent, and that's fine, but this issue is bigger than just going after social justice.
I have respect for your opinion above. Much of which is true. If we were to change the subject to teaching religion in public schools I would have strong opinions against that too. Private schools no problem.
Most subjects or disciplines teach history as a part of that discipline. Medicine, philosophy, and business too.
Examples :Business History - Business History - Harvard Business School
The Business history Initiative seeks to enable scholars, educators, and practitioners to better understand the modern business world by studying its past.
https://bebusinessed.com/history/his...mall-business/
If you go back over 500 years, then you’ll realize that virtually everybody was running a “small business” of some form or another.
Guilds Change Medieval Business Structure Forever
What is being destroyed is the idea that K 12 students should become good citizens through education and be connected through history to the country they live in. A country that many around the world would like to destroy.
Ships have anchors for a reason. The first wave of socialism or communism will move people who have no anchor or connection to the place they live in. Disconnected and divided enter SJW and identity politics along with liberal post modernism and the fuse has been lit for social discord, anarchy to follow.
https://nargaque.com/2016/05/29/post...ocial-justice/ Postmodern Politics and the Goal of Social Justice
The Postmodern understanding of social justice revolves around the “other.” Derrida’s phrase “the singularity of the Other” and Rorty’s term “otherness” refer to those who are marginalized by society—the poor, unemployed, migrants, Hispanics, blacks, women, gays and lesbians. This is equivalent to the Marxist idea that virtue resides only among the oppressed and forms the foundation for identity politics.
Dewey was himself the head of the League for Industrial Democracy, the American counterpart to the British Fabian Society, a socialistic organization founded in 1883. Both of these organizations attempted to influence their governments toward socialism.
People were so surprised that Burnie had such a following among young people. Many who have no connection or knowledge of American history or knowledge of socialism and it failures. Liberal media isn't in the education business. They aren't in the news business either or they would be covering Venezuela daily. Many people used to watch the nighty news to be informed. Now they tune in if they want to continue the indoctrination they received in school and that is what they get.
You get high marks for not taking the spelling bait. Intelligent people deal with the ideas. The ignorant fools with nothing to add of substance look for the frivolous. The teachers assistance job often is to correct papers. Its best to weed them out with a shiny button. I have another one too.
I don't believe it but we have some common ground here. There is definitely an over abundance of homework on our school system couples with over emphasis to teach to the test rather than focus on collaborative learning.
Collaborative learning? As in "group" projects and "group" tests? No. HELL no!
That's just another way of giving the inept more credit than they're due, while penalizing the capable for being saddled with the inept through no choice or input of their own.
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