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Public schools are horrible. I went to them for a while, until my father realized I wasn't learning anything of value, but there was always the threat that I would get hooked into drugs or some other bad habits he and mom tried so hard to keep me out of. So, he took me out and had me home schooled. My cousins were also either homeschooled, or their parents put them into private Christian schools. I thank God that they did this. I run into people who are 30, 25, 18, who grew up in our school systems, and I am like, we are so doomed. These people are some of the most dumbest I have ever known, and what's scary, is that they think they are smart.
Last month, I went to a museum with a couple of my friends who were hard core democratic supporters no questions asked, about 25, and they both come from broken families due to the dads refusal to be faithful to their women. Well, I was reading a scroll by some author from the 1600, and one of my friends came up to me and asked if I could read that. I told them of course I could, I was taught this in the third grade. It was in cursive. Both he and my other friend said their schools stopped teaching cursive when they went, so they never learned. I didn't know what to say, but it still bothers me, because so many historical documents were written in cursive, and now our kids do not know how to read it, to fact check these documents themselves.
It's bad enough so many schools are taking out stuff like mechanics, shop, cooking and home economics. Heck, right now, I can see what will be the life blood of this nation the way things are going. Electricians, plumbers, construction workers and auto mechanics. It's not that it's a dying field, it's just the schools are not letting kids know that there are career opportunities out there in those fields for them. Instead, they just teach them fluff, and strive to be athletes and maybe you can get a scholarship on your athletic prowess.
I appreciate your personal antidotes so here are mine ~ I know one home-schooled friend of my son that was as dumb as they come. I mean, he couldn't even decipher that PA stood for Pennsylvania ~ so NO, homeschooled isn't necessarily better.
Depends on where you live and the schools in that area. Period.
I saw girls who had no idea of the basic multiplication tables. Those are MY personal observations.
I, on purpose, moved to an area with higher taxes because I could see that they had a much better school system.
With regard to shop and home ec - I do agree that these should be taught. I also agree that athletics takes up a HUGE portion of our high school budget and time.
You don't like the information so you make it about the messenger. It makes me laugh.
I notice you don't address the information in them or dispute it.
Its not conservatives dumbing the youth down and ending history requirements.
Liberal here. Former teacher and school librarian.
How come most of the best colleges are in liberal New England?
Why are some of the best public school systems located here in the North East?
We're not the ones who are dumbing anybody down. We don't want history or any other meaningful subject dropped. It's more the conservative south that has the reputation for bad schools, always has been.
Do some research, talk to the school administrators--they're the ones who want bigger salaries and fewer teachers. So they drop important subjects like history and English. How many people do you see who can still punctuate a sentence!
I appreciate your personal antidotes so here are mine ~ I know one home-schooled friend of my son that was as dumb as they come. I mean, he couldn't even decipher that PA stood for Pennsylvania ~ so NO, homeschooled isn't necessarily better.
Depends on where you live and the schools in that area. Period.
I saw girls who had no idea of the basic multiplication tables. Those are MY personal observations.
I, on purpose, moved to an area with higher taxes because I could see that they had a much better school system.
With regard to shop and home ec - I do agree that these should be taught. I also agree that athletics takes up a HUGE portion of our high school budget and time.
The fact is some kids are just plain stupid and educating them is like filling a water bucket with a hole in the bottom.
I have respect for your opinion above. Much of which is true. If we were to change the subject to teaching religion in public schools I would have strong opinions against that too. Private schools no problem.
Most subjects or disciplines teach history as a part of that discipline. Medicine, philosophy, and business too.
Examples :Business History - Business History - Harvard Business School
The Business history Initiative seeks to enable scholars, educators, and practitioners to better understand the modern business world by studying its past.
https://bebusinessed.com/history/his...mall-business/
If you go back over 500 years, then you’ll realize that virtually everybody was running a “small business†of some form or another.
Guilds Change Medieval Business Structure Forever
What is being destroyed is the idea that K 12 students should become good citizens through education and be connected through history to the country they live in. A country that many around the world would like to destroy.
Ships have anchors for a reason. The first wave of socialism or communism will move people who have no anchor or connection to the place they live in. Disconnected and divided enter SJW and identity politics along with liberal post modernism and the fuse has been lit for social discord, anarchy to follow.
https://nargaque.com/2016/05/29/post...ocial-justice/ Postmodern Politics and the Goal of Social Justice
The Postmodern understanding of social justice revolves around the “other.†Derrida’s phrase “the singularity of the Other†and Rorty’s term “otherness†refer to those who are marginalized by society—the poor, unemployed, migrants, Hispanics, blacks, women, gays and lesbians. This is equivalent to the Marxist idea that virtue resides only among the oppressed and forms the foundation for identity politics.
Dewey was himself the head of the League for Industrial Democracy, the American counterpart to the British Fabian Society, a socialistic organization founded in 1883. Both of these organizations attempted to influence their governments toward socialism.
People were so surprised that Burnie had such a following among young people. Many who have no connection or knowledge of American history or knowledge of socialism and it failures. Liberal media isn't in the education business. They aren't in the news business either or they would be covering Venezuela daily. Many people used to watch the nighty news to be informed. Now they tune in if they want to continue the indoctrination they received in school and that is what they get.
You get high marks for not taking the spelling bait. Intelligent people deal with the ideas. The ignorant fools with nothing to add of substance look for the frivolous. The teachers assistance job often is to correct papers. Its best to weed them out with a shiny button. I have another one too.
Like this : loooooooosers
Don't even need a dictionary. A mirror will work.
It sounds like we agree on the issue of post modernism, though I do want to point out that not all socialist are particularly fond of post modernism. Many prominent left-wing intellectuals, most notably Noam Chomsky, believe post modernism is a superficial school of thought, adding next to nothing to society at large. A good friend of mine, who self identifies as a democratic socialists, despise post modernism.
I think post modernism appeals to certain left wingers more simply becasue Marxism is a revolutionary ideology. Nothing is more revolutionary than deciding language is entirely fluid. But plenty of Marxists still oppose post modernism, so I wouldn't look at this is a fight between capitalism/liberalism and socialism/communism.
Post modernism does need to go away though. The problem with it is that it's so easy to get into. It's not an illogical stretch to suggest that language is arbitrary. It is. There's no real reason to call a tee a tree. The problem with that thinking though is this essentially just blurs the truth and creates an entirely subjective world. Indeed, a tree is called a tree just becasue we decided it should be this way. However, we did decide and to take that away is taking away an objective truth. And while the word for tree is mostly superficial, what happens when this same logic is applied to things that aren't so superficial, like gender or human rights?
This is why a liberal education is so important. In that setting, you'd likely be exposed to post modernism (as you'd have to; for better or worse, it's influential... in the same way, if one wishes to understand western philosophy and history, you do need to read Marx), but you'd be exposed in a way that forces you to be critical of it. Just as you'd be forced to be critical of classical philosophy, liberalism, marxism, and any other ism. Liberal education pits these ideas against each other, and demands you think about them. When this is done, then you can truly have a well informed opinion on these matters. This is why education is valuable; it's not so your employer will give you a raise.
And we are losing that. This much is true. I wouldn't just blame the socialists, since that's not the problem. I can tell you, I had a socialist professor in college who was actually quite good. He was honest about his bias, and did a very good job of keeping that aside. For example, when we were discussing libertarianism, if someone made a comment that was negative, a comment he'd likely agree with, he'd ask that student to think how a libertarian would. He did not ask of anyone to think like him, but merely to think. Contrast that to a gender studies professor I had who called misgendering someone oppression, which as far as I'm concerned, breaks down the word oppression to a point where it's entirely meaningless.
Long story short, I think you correctly identify post modernism is a negative, but I think going after socialism is a bit of a stretch.
I don't believe it but we have some common ground here. There is definitely an over abundance of homework on our school system couples with over emphasis to teach to the test rather than focus on collaborative learning. We should also be teaching basic life skills like balancing a checkbook or how to use debt as a tool rather than a weapon against ones self. We should also drop he notion that everyone needs to go to college and borrow a note from Europe and figure out which students would be best served by learning a trade rather than waste time putting them on A college prep track.
No on the collaborative learning. And I'll tell you why.
My highschool liked doing that and college did too. Teachers didn't have to teach they'd leave those who were doing great to help the dummies and pull the slack of the lazy. I absolutely hated group projects.
Highschool shop classes I was stuck teaching other kids to weld or use a lathe.
And when there were accidents because dingus decided to put the wrong bit in a drill press and it shot clear across the room... it was 2 days worth of safety review Robbing time from projects that needed to be done.
Or you'd have some idiot who'd get welding and not wear a shield and wind up seeing dots and feeling like they had sand in their eyes. Made it easier for the teacher to have 5 groups of 5 and take the best and brightest and leave them in charge while he sat from his desk watching only to get up when a question is asked or an accident occurred...
Does it make everyone equal. You betcha. Fair. Nope not one bit. Why should flunkies ride on my back for success? College was the same way...
Agreed on the college. I wasn't like the lemmings.
I took 2 years and worked saving money up. That all mighty 15 minimum wage isn't going to be had washing dishes cooking food flipping burgers. It will be had in skilled trades. The problem is teachers from middle school onward indoctrinate you into believing you won't amount to chit without a college degree... funny. I know people clearing 6 figures who dropped out of highschool.... while others who went into college had to move back in with their parents and probably won't ever own a house...
You don't need college right away! The campus isn't growing legs and running away!
Want to teach the youth about debt.
Tell them keep their knees together and show them how much a kid costs to raise.
One expensive diaper filling 2 am alarm clock. That's rule number one. No kids until you've got your own place, married, and all your frivolous spending and partying days are behind you. You don't need a fight or a big financial burden especially if you're not ready for them. Know too many people in their 40s-50s raising their grandkids so their kid can finish school or go out partying. Night job my ass. Why's your kid always broke then?
Teach them to save their money instead of burning a hole in their pocket that just needs to be spent on stupid chit that doesn't retain value.
I'm all for tangible investing...
Liberal here. Former teacher and school librarian.
How come most of the best colleges are in liberal New England?
New England was settled by thoughtful, intelligent people who built colleges and universities that grew in prestige over many years. But that could all go away, and likely will if there are not significant reforms.
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Why are some of the best public school systems located here in the North East?
There is a tradition of good education in New England but, as is generally true in America, public schools are "good" mostly to the degree that they are not filled with black and Hispanic students.
Liberal here. Former teacher and school librarian.
How come most of the best colleges are in liberal New England?
Why are some of the best public school systems located here in the North East?
We're not the ones who are dumbing anybody down. We don't want history or any other meaningful subject dropped. It's more the conservative south that has the reputation for bad schools, always has been.
Do some research, talk to the school administrators--they're the ones who want bigger salaries and fewer teachers. So they drop important subjects like history and English. How many people do you see who can still punctuate a sentence!
Hate to say it but Liberal NE seems to be the whitest areas of the US. Let's throw in a huge trainload of Illegals and uneducated and see how fast those good schools sink in ratings.
My son's in MA. Whitest area I think I've ever seen.
Hate to say it but Liberal NE seems to be the whitest areas of the US. Let's throw in a huge trainload of Illegals and uneducated and see how fast those good schools sink in ratings.
My son's in MA. Whitest area I think I've ever seen.
Got to Springfield or Pittsfield. That will change.
Liberal here. Former teacher and school librarian.
How come most of the best colleges are in liberal New England?
Why are some of the best public school systems located here in the North East?
We're not the ones who are dumbing anybody down. We don't want history or any other meaningful subject dropped. It's more the conservative south that has the reputation for bad schools, always has been.
Do some research, talk to the school administrators--they're the ones who want bigger salaries and fewer teachers. So they drop important subjects like history and English. How many people do you see who can still punctuate a sentence!
The higher test scores tend to correlate with higher incomes and family educational attainment.
Thus, the wealthier northeast is typically a higher scoring part of the country than the south which has large pockets of poverty, historical endemic racism etc. etc. etc.
I say this because I've actually seen racists make almost the same exact argument you have, except instead of calling the south conservative they've pointed outs high %'s of blacks as the culprit.
Just saying that if you're essentially using the same logical argument as some KKK member with 12 teeth top and bottom....you probably shouldn't.
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