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Voters love school vouchers, it's a done deal... all they did was delay it... I highly doubt the signatures are legit...
The committee who was in charge of gathering signatures etc.. didn't seem fake. So don't assume. Sure Arizona has been historically a conservative state, but everyone has it's boundaries. I think it's being tested right now. Voters last November approved a minimum wage hike to $12/hr and the most progressive mandatory paid-sick leave in any state by a margin of 60%-40%. Don't look at AZ as a deep red state just yet.
And vouchers are probably the worse idea ever. It's the best idea to create a rich-poor divide in school children that's for sure. The voucher gives parents around $4k to send their kid to a private school of their choice. Private school costs between $6k-$15k depending on your student's grade level and the school. I don't know of any working parent who has that kind of money even with the voucher to send their kid to private school. Hence... it obviously benefits the wealthy, those who has the most cash send their kids to private schools... which hence creates the gap between rich-poor as it keeps taking money away from the public school system.
There are no teachers unions with any power whatsoever in Arizona. Arizona teacher pay is the lowest in the country. People in Arizona can choose any school they want - even outside their own district. Charter schools are public schools and they can choose them instead of the district school as well. People even get paid to home school. There is no where in the country that has more school choice. What's wrong here is asking people to pay for fancy schools for the rich and schools like catholic schools and muslim schools paid for by taxpayers.
And in spite of no teacher unions, slave wages for educators, and more school choice than DeVos could ever dream about, Arizona has among the worst schools in the US.
It's so atrocious that teachers in AZ get paid literally close to or a few dollars above the minimum wage. The state can care less about teachers/kids. The GOP solution to hire more teachers is apparently to lower the standards for hiring qualified teachers. What a smartttttt idea.
The Dems don't want the poor and minorities to be able to choose better schools for their kids like rich people do. They want a dumbed down electorate that they can manipulate. Teachers union is one of the most powerful in the country. They don't want to actually have to work hard and get good results
Not really. In Blue states they are one of the most powerful union in the country and those teachers actually have decent wages. In Arizona? Complete 180. Look up AZ's teacher pay, you'll be astounded.
The committee who was in charge of gathering signatures etc.. didn't seem fake. So don't assume. Sure Arizona has been historically a conservative state, but everyone has it's boundaries. I think it's being tested right now. Voters last November approved a minimum wage hike to $12/hr and the most progressive mandatory paid-sick leave in any state by a margin of 60%-40%. Don't look at AZ as a deep red state just yet.
And vouchers are probably the worse idea ever. It's the best idea to create a rich-poor divide in school children that's for sure. The voucher gives parents around $4k to send their kid to a private school of their choice. Private school costs between $6k-$15k depending on your student's grade level and the school. I don't know of any working parent who has that kind of money even with the voucher to send their kid to private school. Hence... it obviously benefits the wealthy, those who has the most cash send their kids to private schools... which hence creates the gap between rich-poor as it keeps taking money away from the public school system.
The private school vouchers are for about $5,500 (the amount the state pays to educate a student in this state) or about half of what it costs, so mostly affluent people benefit. Not only that, but the whole voucher program has been marked by massive fraud because the state provides virtually no check up or follow that the students even exist or where they go. Millions are being wasted that could go to teacher pay or improving the worst public schools in America.
The private school vouchers are for about $5,500 (the amount the state pays to educate a student in this state) or about half of what it costs, so mostly affluent people benefit. Not only that, but the whole voucher program has been marked by massive fraud because the state provides virtually no check up or follow that the students even exist or where they go. Millions are being wasted that could go to teacher pay or improving the worst public schools in America.
$5,500 means a sweet subsidy for $12,000+ tuition of private schools. It still puts it clear out of reach of poor families and most middle class families.
Church schools will spring up in every church, mosque, synagogue, etc. basement. If you have the building paid for and the church secretary handles administrative things, then even 10 - 12 students can support a teacher's salary and benefits.
So the well-to-do will get a rebate on tuition they would pay anyway. Middle class and poor get the option of fly-by-night church basement schools.
Nothing about this improves the quality of education and leaves the most difficult to educate students in the even more financially-strapped public schools.
It's so atrocious that teachers in AZ get paid literally close to or a few dollars above the minimum wage. The state can care less about teachers/kids. The GOP solution to hire more teachers is apparently to lower the standards for hiring qualified teachers. What a smartttttt idea.
I have seen where they wanted to drop teaching standards in Kansas and other states, didn't see that in Arizona. That is something Devos should be speaking out on as education commissioner.
I have seen where they wanted to drop teaching standards in Kansas and other states, didn't see that in Arizona. That is something Devos should be speaking out on as education commissioner.
Education commissar would be a more accurate term. What better a system that one person on a throne in far away DC should decide the education needs for children in KS, AZ etc.
Public education is child abuse.
Wonder what % of the kids in their schools are from uneducated illegal non English immigrant families. I'm always reluctant to blame the schools when there is so much more to the equation.
Taxpayer money should be disconnected from education. Vouchers arent the answer to stupid and misinformed children.
So don't fund education with taxpayer money, how do they get an education?
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Address?
I'll go with abolish.
Abolish education?
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Education commissar would be a more accurate term. What better a system that one person on a throne in far away DC should decide the education needs for children in KS, AZ etc.
Public education is child abuse.
Each state decides their own school system, residents and parents have a large influence on their system. Education commissioner does not have that much power but they can impact the system.
The private school vouchers are for about $5,500 (the amount the state pays to educate a student in this state) or about half of what it costs, so mostly affluent people benefit. Not only that, but the whole voucher program has been marked by massive fraud because the state provides virtually no check up or follow that the students even exist or where they go. Millions are being wasted that could go to teacher pay or improving the worst public schools in America.
that's funny, complaing about massive fraud in a government program.
There would be no government programs if massive fraud was a concern and money redirected from the intended targeted population. Apparently fraud in governemt programs has been an acceptable given, especially by liberals.
Devos said public edu is not going to be replaced by vouchers, she realizes both have their place. Obama deprived kids of going to alternate schools where the kid was doing great, and sent them back to public schooll in DC. Talk about depriving a kid of a future.
Like cooking, intelligent use of ingredients is called for.
Public edu manned by democrats and their symbiotic partners the teacher unions are a boot on the neck of teachers and education throughout the country.
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