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Old 08-08-2017, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Petition was filed earlier today to halt the bill from taking effect + put the issue onto the ballot in 2018. I guess Arizona ain't that conservative after all.

Take that DeVos!

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/201...s-arizona.html

Why would anyone even be for this is appalling. It's an obvious give away for the wealthy in the name of "school choice".
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Old 08-08-2017, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Strictly expanding vouchers is not a solution, they need to address the public school system.
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Old 08-08-2017, 08:05 PM
 
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Voters love school vouchers, it's a done deal... all they did was delay it... I highly doubt the signatures are legit...
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Old 08-08-2017, 08:13 PM
 
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Taxpayer money should be disconnected from education. Vouchers arent the answer to stupid and misinformed children.
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Old 08-08-2017, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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This is the problem with Devos, a one dimensional approach that does absolutely not one thing to solve the deplorable public school system. Do we eliminate public schools and go with a voucher system, not one other country has that system.
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Old 08-08-2017, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Voters love school vouchers, it's a done deal... all they did was delay it... I highly doubt the signatures are legit...
Of course it's fake to a Trumpling. What isn't these days?
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Old 08-08-2017, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Voters love school vouchers, it's a done deal... all they did was delay it... I highly doubt the signatures are legit...
The voucher bill will be repealed in a landslide if it goes to a vote, which it probably won't. It is a very unpopular law. The legislature is more likely to repeal it because if the ballot measure wins it is dead and can't be resurrected. People aren't so much against the voucher idea as the fact that this law gives vouchers to people for religious schools. We still believe in separation of church and state in Arizona. 90% of Arizona students go to public schools. We want to fix them before we give money to catholic education.
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Old 08-08-2017, 09:42 PM
 
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The Dems don't want the poor and minorities to be able to choose better schools for their kids like rich people do. They want a dumbed down electorate that they can manipulate. Teachers union is one of the most powerful in the country. They don't want to actually have to work hard and get good results
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Old 08-08-2017, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Strictly expanding vouchers is not a solution, they need to address the public school system.
Address?

I'll go with abolish.
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Old 08-08-2017, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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The Dems don't want the poor and minorities to be able to choose better schools for their kids like rich people do. They want a dumbed down electorate that they can manipulate. Teachers union is one of the most powerful in the country. They don't want to actually have to work hard and get good results
There are no teachers unions with any power whatsoever in Arizona. Arizona teacher pay is the lowest in the country. People in Arizona can choose any school they want - even outside their own district. Charter schools are public schools and they can choose them instead of the district school as well. People even get paid to home school. There is no where in the country that has more school choice. What's wrong here is asking people to pay for fancy schools for the rich and schools like catholic schools and muslim schools paid for by taxpayers.

And in spite of no teacher unions, slave wages for educators, and more school choice than DeVos could ever dream about, Arizona has among the worst schools in the US.
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