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Old 08-12-2017, 07:47 PM
 
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Protesting against people carrying Nazi flags does not make you an extremist yourself. Refusing to tolerate hatred does not make you an extremist. There is no moral equivalency between protesting in the name of hate and "white rights" vs. protesting against hatred and racism. Hundreds of thousands of Americans died fighting the Nazis, and American patriots rightfully hate the Nazi symbol.
Protesting is one thing, antifa are neo communist scumbags who use violence at every rally. Every one

Americans died fighting against communism and for the right of free speech , the right to assemble, the right to dissent. These "anti racist" protesters are communist scum who want an authoritarian government where there is a left wing authoritarian government, with no free speech, no right to dissent, no right to bear arms, no free media, no vote.

 
Old 08-12-2017, 07:49 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Message from Charlottesville: White people can only assemble if they're liberals.
 
Old 08-12-2017, 07:49 PM
 
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Freedom of speech is one thing, surrounding a church with lit torches is something else altogether. That $hit was crossing the line!
White supremacists carrying torches surround church during alt-right rally | Metro News
Was the church on campus? If so, wouldn't that just mean that they were protesting near the church and shouting their slogans. I am not saying that it was right or moral or anything like that but that the article might be misleading, IDK.
 
Old 08-12-2017, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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It's pretty ironic hearing a Trump fan accusing the left of wanting an authoritarian government who wants to stifle free speech and dissent and thinks they want no free media.
 
Old 08-12-2017, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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No, this isn't just as it should be. There are such things as civil societies and that was largely the creed Americans held dear. But no longer because a small % of the population decided to use their money to influence many other to act selfishly. In fact, there are vast think tanks in DC with the express purpose of influencing people toward selfishness (Cato, Heritage, etc.).
What American History have you been reading?

American History is much much much uglier than most people realize. This country was on the verge of being pulled apart from 1783, all the way to 1861. And was only held together by force.

Moreover, this country was taken from the natives by force, often brutally. We brought in slaves to produce cotton for export to Europe, and then reluctantly brought in Irish Catholics, because our corporations wanted the cheap labor to build our own industry. And later, we would more-or-less stop all immigration for half a century during and immediately after WWI.

Immigration only opened again in the 1960's, to destroy the American labor movement, as to drive down labor costs in an increasingly-globalized economy.


During that period of time, the common man was really never consulted. Change was always forced down their throats, usually by lying to them. By the elites who stood to benefit.


This idea that Americans loved each other until recently, is a delusion. Most of the history of America was people running away from society to go live on the frontiers, or otherwise trying to resist our government as much as possible.
 
Old 08-12-2017, 07:51 PM
 
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Unite the Right had a legal permit to be there.
Did they have a permit to surround a church filled with parishioners, mostly black, while carrying lit torches and chanting their white supremacist BS? Try to forget the partisan politics of this for a minute and think how you would feel if that happened to you while you were in church. I think it constitutes terrorism, I can't even think of another term to describe it.
 
Old 08-12-2017, 07:51 PM
 
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The motivations to commit terrorism aren't exclusive to Allah or religion. This was terrorism of a racial and political purpose; A mission to murder others due to racial and political differences.
Again it depends on his intentions. I know motivations aren't exclusive to Allah or religion, I am saying that if he intended to kill or maim based on his racism then yes, I would agree with you. IF he is a racist clown. But IDK, the news it still out as to what his motives are. Do you have a link to any new information or are you just speculating?
 
Old 08-12-2017, 07:52 PM
 
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They left the area they had the permit to be lawful.
They left the area because the rally was declared to be an “unlawful assembly” before the first speaker took the stage . The police didnt keep the groups apart because they didnt want police brutality to be lodged at them in this liberal town and the groups were not kept apart. Then it was declared an national emergency and hell broke loose. The whole thing was a fiasco orchestrated by charlottesville and virginia
 
Old 08-12-2017, 07:52 PM
 
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Protesting is one thing, antifa are neo communist scumbags who use violence at every rally. Every one

Americans died fighting against communism and for the right of free speech , the right to assemble, the right to dissent. These "anti racist" protesters are communist scum who want an authoritarian government where there is a left wing authoritarian government, with no free speech, no right to dissent, no right to bear arms, no free media, no vote.
We also fought against fascism. More importantly.
 
Old 08-12-2017, 07:52 PM
 
Location: West of Louisiana, East of New Mexico
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I wish we'd ignore all of this "left" versus "right" stuff. Trump isn't a true conservative or liberal...he's just Trump. He won't denounce white supremacists and is probably more comfortable in a room full of Eastern-bloc ex-KGB spies than regular 'Mericans.

White men (that aren't powerful or wealthy) feel emasculated and blame political correctness, affirmative action, blacks, gays, women, Latinos etc., for their struggles. That they're struggling, isn't really a question. White men are hurting. Unfortunately, like an old song stuck on repeat, they're focused on the wrong target. Rich/powerful white men keep working class white men under their thumb.

The 'us vs. them' rhetoric is a powerful drug. Women, LGBTQ and people of color want something approaching equality but to some white men, they've been convinced that it's a zero-sum game. For others to have a level playing field means that I, Joe White Guy, must sacrifice and give something up. There's cognitive dissonance where everyone can see the systemic advantage of being white and male except the very group that benefits.

The white nationalists types have to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and stop blaming non-whites and women for their problems. They need to focus on the rich white men, the policymakers and businessmen that ship their jobs offshore and help contribute to their misery. I think the white nationalists are afraid to confront their true enemy and so they focus on everything except the devil staring at them in the window.
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