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Old 08-24-2017, 07:49 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Too bad there wasn't Confederate Generals named Joe Buck & Bob Costas.
Just saying....
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Old 08-24-2017, 07:56 AM
 
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Too bad there wasn't Confederate Generals named Joe Buck & Bob Costas.
Just saying....
Why?
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Old 08-24-2017, 08:54 AM
 
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so did Washington and Thomas Jefferson.......the 13 colonies belonged to the British and Washington was an officer of the British Army and he took an oath and broke it.

are we splitting hairs now?
How many statutes do you think the British would have erected to honor George Washington if they had won the war?

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Punishing Gen Lee wasn't the answer at the time.
And he wasn't punished, nor were any of the officers who took up arms against their country. But nor should they be honored in our public squares expressely for having done so. That's what museums are for.
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Old 08-24-2017, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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And he wasn't punished, nor were any of the officers who took up arms against their country. But nor should they be honored in our public squares expressely for having done so. That's what museums are for.
I just tried to explain to the poster why he wasn't punished at the time.

This said, yes, he should be honored because he was an American fighting man. I have no problems with the argument that confederate monuments belong in a museum, but confederate generals shouldn't be demonized.
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Old 08-24-2017, 09:22 AM
 
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How many statutes do you think the British would have erected to honor George Washington if they had won the war?

if he would have received a pardon by the Queen and he helped and supported the crown under reconstruction of the 13 colonies and helped both sides reconcile after the war.....I say the odds are pretty good that the Queen would have let the colony of Virginia honor Lee for ALL HIS SERVICE after his death in some way.
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Old 08-24-2017, 09:23 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Old 08-24-2017, 09:43 AM
 
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Actually, you are splitting hairs.My father always said this. If you can do the crime, you can do the time. Jefferson and Washington would have been traitors to the British. But this is AMERICA, not Britain.

AMERICA (is a continent) used to belong to Britain....Britain was the rightful government of the 13 colonies and Washington took an oath and committed treason not because he wanted to free people and make a democracy like the fake history they teach in public schools but because of taxes and him and a group of rich colonists who were slave owners wanted to run things and control the resources and the land they were about to steal from the Natives.


We don't know how the British would have treated Washington and Jefferson decades after the war and after their deaths. If the Queen pardoned them and they help the crown under reconstruction of the 13 colonies and they help both sides reconcile after the war then odds are the British would have let Virginia honor them decades after their deaths as part of the history of Virginia.

They didn't put statues of Robert E. Lee when he was alive or right after the war, we are talking about decades later after his death.


The Natives took arms and fought the federal government, they were considered enemies of the U.S. at the time.....should we also take out their statues and monuments decades later and ignore their history in this country.
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Old 08-24-2017, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Deep 13
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The Confederates started it. Rather than take responsibility, this Lost Cause lie is perpetuated. Healing will never begin until the Lost Cause myth is put to bed.
So fighting against taking down the statues is a......lost cause?
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Old 08-24-2017, 09:48 AM
 
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So fighting against taking down the statues is a......lost cause?
Fighting against taking those statues down shows an inability to understand that some causes don't deserve honor. The Confederate cause should be remembered, not honored.
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Old 08-24-2017, 09:51 AM
 
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well, Lee was respected to the point of worship in the South; he was also an honest and honorable man as was Grant. Lee ordered his remaining men to go home and try to rebuild their life. There was to be NO guerrilla war against the occupying northern army. Lee’s charge to his men had the force of an order to the entire South. Had they executed Lee there would have been an insurgency that would have gone on for generations.

Punishing Gen Lee wasn't the answer at the time.
That is the thing. "Worshiping" a guy like Lee isn't healthy. He was worshiped by anyone who wasn't a slave or former slave. He might have commanded his men to stop fighting. However, this is the question. Does it change his decision to fight for the enemy? Does it change that the Confederate cause was a cause rooted in keeping slavery? I can only look at this from the bottom line.
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