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Let's not also forget the fact that Grant was also a slave owner. I don't hear about any monuments to Grant being taking down.
"Robert E. Lee came from a slave-owning family, but upon his father-in-law's death, all those slaves were freed (this was 1862 before the Emancipation Proclamation). In a letter to President Pierce, Lee wrote that "There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil."
So what is comes down to is the Grant family owned slaves longer than the Lee as the slaves in question were from Julia's family, not Grant's personal slaves. That being said, of course, in that day and age, that meant Grant was in control of them. It is interesting to see that both of these men - the two opposing Civil War generals - were slave owners at one point or another in their lives." American Presidents Blog: Grant was a Slave Owner
Let's not also forget the fact that Grant was also a slave owner. I don't hear about any monuments to Grant being taking down.
"Robert E. Lee came from a slave-owning family, but upon his father-in-law's death, all those slaves were freed (this was 1862 before the Emancipation Proclamation). In a letter to President Pierce, Lee wrote that "There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil."
So what is comes down to is the Grant family owned slaves longer than the Lee as the slaves in question were from Julia's family, not Grant's personal slaves. That being said, of course, in that day and age, that meant Grant was in control of them. It is interesting to see that both of these men - the two opposing Civil War generals - were slave owners at one point or another in their lives."
[url=http://www.american-presidents.org/2007/02/grant-was-slave-owner.html]American Presidents Blog: Grant was a Slave Owner[/url]
Even better - look up Mr Sherman. Lots of streets named for him. He disliked blacks more than most confederate gentry.
Remember, many confederates felt the fate of blacks would be worse under marker labor. Many on the market side were expecting that too but did not care.
Now, what other trivia can America turn toward to stop seeing it's fall off a cliff? Our enemies must be so happy. We do their work for them.
Even better - look up Mr Sherman. Lots of streets named for him. He disliked blacks more than most confederate gentry.
Remember, many confederates felt the fate of blacks would be worse under marker labor. Many on the market side were expecting that too but did not care.
Now, what other trivia can America turn toward to stop seeing it's fall off a cliff? Our enemies must be so happy. We do their work for them.
Unfortunately for some people who wish to rewrite history, all of this is very well documented. Unless they are going to start burning history books next, the truth is what it is. Many northern generals and most people in Northern states had no respect for blacks whatsoever, and didn't give a rat's behind what became of them. They fought the war to prevent the country from being split in half and for no other reason.
I ran across this tidbit, in an article about Robert E. Lee and thought I'd share it.
Professor Edward C. Smith is the director of American Studies at American University, Washington, D.C., and co-director of The Civil War Institute. He is a regular columnist for National Geographic News and speaker in the National Geographic Society lecture program. He also leads interpretative tours of Civil War sites and other historic locations.
I like Robert E. Lee - and always have. As a student of military history it's pretty hard not too. He was an absolutely brilliant commander - in my opinion the BEST America has EVER produced - and (by the standards of his time) a pretty decent man, one loved by his own troops and widely respected and admired (some say revered) even by soldiers of the other side. No one can really expect more than that from a military commander. In the final analysis he was defeated - which was a good thing really - but then again it was a nearly hopeless cause from the onset.
Like the original Founding Fathers he was a product of his time and therefor not without his faults, but on balance he was a generally good man.
Even better - look up Mr Sherman. Lots of streets named for him. He disliked blacks more than most confederate gentry.
Remember, many confederates felt the fate of blacks would be worse under marker labor. Many on the market side were expecting that too but did not care.
Now, what other trivia can America turn toward to stop seeing it's fall off a cliff? Our enemies must be so happy. We do their work for them.
Sherman was a jerk. A brutally effective jerk admittedly (and someone you'd want fighting FOR you instead of AGAINST you) but a jerk nevertheless.
Sherman was a jerk. A brutally effective jerk admittedly (and someone you'd want fighting FOR you instead of AGAINST you) but a jerk nevertheless.
Ken
Sherman also provided Special Order #15 which was the first allotment of land to newly freedmen in Georgia, Florida and South Carolina. So despite his antipathy toward blacks he attempted to do right by them.
Sherman also provided Special Order #15 which was the first allotment of land to newly freedmen in Georgia, Florida and South Carolina. So despite his antipathy toward blacks he attempted to do right by them.
Oh yeah. Sherman could and did do the right thing. He was just ruthless in combat. In that regard, he was one of the first American commanders to understand the concept of total war - and a harbinger of things to come (sadly). Lincoln was lucky to have him.
Sherman also provided Special Order #15 which was the first allotment of land to newly freedmen in Georgia, Florida and South Carolina. So despite his antipathy toward blacks he attempted to do right by them.
It was the easiest and most expedient way to demoralize the South which of course included burning everything to the ground he could reach. His actions were targeted against Southerners, his disdain for them, and their ability to recoup after the war, not because he wanted to do the right thing and give Blacks a helping hand.
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Let's not also forget the fact that Grant was also a slave owner. I don't hear about any monuments to Grant being taking down.
"Robert E. Lee came from a slave-owning family, but upon his father-in-law's death, all those slaves were freed (this was 1862 before the Emancipation Proclamation). In a letter to President Pierce, Lee wrote that "There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil."
So what is comes down to is the Grant family owned slaves longer than the Lee as the slaves in question were from Julia's family, not Grant's personal slaves. That being said, of course, in that day and age, that meant Grant was in control of them. It is interesting to see that both of these men - the two opposing Civil War generals - were slave owners at one point or another in their lives." American Presidents Blog: Grant was a Slave Owner
You didn't mention that it was common practice at the time to free slaves after their master died.
Further that Lee fought tooth and nail to end this practice and only freed those slaves after being required to do so.
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