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Old 08-24-2017, 06:14 PM
 
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Pakistan has always been guilty of looking the other way on terrorists, particularly their own military. Their leaders walk a fine line attempting to move forward while appeasing their radical constituency, Trumps comments do not help the situation. The movie actor that is running for prime minister wants to sever ties with us, this only helps him.
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Old 08-24-2017, 06:58 PM
 
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1B21NW

Trump talks tough on Pakistan's 'terrorist' havens, but options scarce

Is Trump correct to blame Pakistan for American's failure in Afghanistan?
Yes. This and China are the only things Trump is correct on. Afghanistan is landlocked, iran is controlled by hostile mullahs leftover from the invasion of the second caliphate, and pakistan controls the kyber pass. Most of the US logistics go through pakistan. Most jihadists also go through pakistan. This is afterall the country that harbored Osama Bin laden. Its also the country where Osama Bin laden was killed and where mullah omar died.

Nothing good has come out pakistan since Muhammad Bin Qasim, a human trafficker and rapist, invaded the province of Sindh.

pakistan should have been bombed to the stone age right after first plane hit the tower or break up of the country should have been encouraged possibly getting independence for Sindh and Baluchistan.

I don't see why pakistan is complaining. They are receiving Peoples Republic of China money from CPEC. Although if baluchis keep targeting the PRC nationals, they may abandon the project. They technically don't need the US if they want to ***** themselves off to red China instead.

Ironically though, jihadis are supposed to target nonbelievers especially atheists. They should technically be waging jihad on the godless PRC. Its officially an athiest state.

The best situation for south asia if for reunification under secular democracy with a uniform civil code and english as one of its official languages. This would provide a counterweight against Red china until an insurgency can be stated in Tibet once the Dalia llama dies or the there's a yellow umbrella rebellion.

Why anyone outside of saudi arabia would want to live like a dark age Bedouin is beyond me.

Rise above. Focus on Science.
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Old 08-24-2017, 08:47 PM
 
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Yes. This and China are the only things Trump is correct on. Afghanistan is landlocked, iran is controlled by hostile mullahs leftover from the invasion of the second caliphate, and pakistan controls the kyber pass. Most of the US logistics go through pakistan. Most jihadists also go through pakistan. This is afterall the country that harbored Osama Bin laden. Its also the country where Osama Bin laden was killed and where mullah omar died.

Nothing good has come out pakistan since Muhammad Bin Qasim, a human trafficker and rapist, invaded the province of Sindh.

pakistan should have been bombed to the stone age right after first plane hit the tower or break up of the country should have been encouraged possibly getting independence for Sindh and Baluchistan.

I don't see why pakistan is complaining. They are receiving Peoples Republic of China money from CPEC. Although if baluchis keep targeting the PRC nationals, they may abandon the project. They technically don't need the US if they want to ***** themselves off to red China instead.

Ironically though, jihadis are supposed to target nonbelievers especially atheists. They should technically be waging jihad on the godless PRC. Its officially an athiest state.

The best situation for south asia if for reunification under secular democracy with a uniform civil code and english as one of its official languages. This would provide a counterweight against Red china until an insurgency can be stated in Tibet once the Dalia llama dies or the there's a yellow umbrella rebellion.

Why anyone outside of saudi arabia would want to live like a dark age Bedouin is beyond me.

Rise above. Focus on Science.
Interesting perspective DB
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Old 08-24-2017, 08:58 PM
 
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Trump is like a kid with ADHD faced with an array of colorful new toys. He can't stay focused on one thing long enough to see it through to the end before he's on to the newest shiny trinket. One day it's the wall, another day infrastructure, health care, tax reform, kicking transgender people out of the military, then all the issues are quickly abandoned once he discovers they're "hard."
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Old 08-24-2017, 09:24 PM
 
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Trump is like a kid with ADHD faced with an array of colorful new toys. He can't stay focused on one thing long enough to see it through to the end before he's on to the newest shiny trinket. One day it's the wall, another day infrastructure, health care, tax reform, kicking transgender people out of the military, then all the issues are quickly abandoned once he discovers they're "hard."
That would describe the American public "Ten second attention span".
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Old 08-25-2017, 02:46 AM
 
Location: Birmingham
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Donald Trump is a power seeker, fame seeker, manipulator, and liar (and I personally believe he is stressed by low poll numbers and being locked up in the White House.) But hopefully enough republicans will one day begin to see that Trump is an idiot (and then he won't have as much influence to do things like cause a Pakistani nuclear weapon to be detonated in America.)
The problem with Trump, unlike other leaders, is that he can't keep his mouth shut for very long when in politics you have to think before saying something. And he doesn't seem to differentiate between his real friends and enemies before speaking as he spoke against Pakistan.

Pakistanis have more in common with Americans and British (judging by their previous links, parliamentary system and English speaking public) than the Chinese yet they are being pushed by Trump closer to China.

As for Pakistani nuclear weapons being detonated in America, there is no danger of that; Pakistanis are not even thinking about that. Their main reason to develop such weapons is to deter India from attacking Pakistan. These weapons in Pakistan are deterrents rather than for active use, and Pakistanis are aware of it. Pakistan is not a banana republic but a responsible nation that is aware of the importance of not triggering a nuclear war from their side.
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Old 08-25-2017, 04:18 AM
 
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Yes. This and China are the only things Trump is correct on.
That means Trump is not correct on india.

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Afghanistan is landlocked, iran is controlled by hostile mullahs leftover from the invasion of the second caliphate, and pakistan controls the kyber pass. Most of the US logistics go through pakistan.
In that case, Trump is wrong on both Pakistan and india. It should be Pakistan his strategic partner in that part of the world.

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Most jihadists also go through pakistan. This is afterall the country that harbored Osama Bin laden. Its also the country where Osama Bin laden was killed and where mullah omar died.
Those jihadists came from Afghanistan. Pakistan didn't send them from Pakistan into Afghanistan. They were with Taliban who were ousted from power in Afghanistan by the Americans and NATO forces. Pakistan was dragged into this war. It wasn't Pakistan's war. In fact, those Taliban then had attacked Pakistanis too for assisting Americans and NATO. Do you think that they killed 132 Pakistani children in a school in Peshawar because Pakistan was on these jihadists' side?

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Nothing good has come out pakistan since Muhammad Bin Qasim, a human trafficker and rapist, invaded the province of Sindh.
It wasn't Pakistan then but india.

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pakistan should have been bombed to the stone age right after first plane hit the tower or break up of the country should have been encouraged possibly getting independence for Sindh and Baluchistan.
Modi would have loved to see that happen. It just goes to show the indian mindset against Pakistan. None of the terrorists hitting the towers were Pakistanis. And of course india would love to break up Pakistan. That's why the indians are encouraging terrorists from Afghanistan to attack in Baluchistan to destabilize the region. Clearly india is involved in terrorist activities from Afghanistan into Pakistan' even supplying them with arms.

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I don't see why pakistan is complaining. They are receiving Peoples Republic of China money from CPEC. Although if baluchis keep targeting the PRC nationals, they may abandon the project.
This is why india is involved in Baluchistan. CPEC is to improve infrastructure in Pakistan and Baluchistan in particular. It is disliked by the indians and would like it to stop.

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They technically don't need the US if they want to ***** themselves off to red China instead.
Who needs someone who is threatening and is about about to attack?

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Ironically though, jihadis are supposed to target nonbelievers especially atheists. They should technically be waging jihad on the godless PRC. Its officially an athiest state.
That's a false thinking. Jihadists attack those who they see as their enemy. They killed school children in Peshawar not because they were atheists or nonbelievers but because they saw them children of their enemy, the Pakistan military.

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The best situation for south asia if for reunification under secular democracy with a uniform civil code and english as one of its official languages. This would provide a counterweight against Red china until an insurgency can be stated in Tibet once the Dalia llama dies or the there's a yellow umbrella rebellion.
With the mindset indians are showing against Pakistan and the indian army killing Kashmiris in Kashmir, there isn't any chance of unification.

The situation in that part of the world will improve overnight the Kashmiris are given their right to decide their future as per UN resolution. Both Pakistan and india are guilty of denying Kashmiris their right. Until that right is given to the Kashmiris, there would be no solution to problem in Afghanistan.
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Old 08-25-2017, 04:29 AM
 
Location: Birmingham
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Pakistan has always been guilty of looking the other way on terrorists, particularly their own military.
Do you mean the Pakistani military has been looking the other way on terrorists or the military itself is the terrorist?

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Their leaders walk a fine line attempting to move forward while appeasing their radical constituency, Trumps comments do not help the situation. The movie actor that is running for prime minister wants to sever ties with us, this only helps him.
Which movie actor in running for prime minister in Pakistan who wants to sever ties with US?
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Old 08-25-2017, 04:31 AM
 
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There is nothing to win in Afghanistan. That is not Pakistan's fault.



Finally, I have seen the protests start back up and I got what I was looking for out of them. They were not there just to protest Trump.

http://www.thenewscenter.tv/content/...441693823.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsrsrOB0zNQ
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Old 08-25-2017, 04:50 AM
 
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It turns out POTUS is not a populist after all.
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