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Old 09-20-2017, 03:07 PM
 
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You also need to study..............The gulf of Tonkin resolution was passed by congress with a unanimous vote 416-0...........Senate 48-2 The congress of the united states sir.........
The resolution was passed in 1964. Opposition to the war would grow in the ensuing years.

I have already stated my deep respect for those that served in Vietnam.

But I also pay respect to those spoke out against the government and politicians for plunging the U.S. into a war that was not necessary and was a huge mistake.
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Old 09-20-2017, 03:10 PM
 
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The one thing that was specifically wrong was the "Domino theory," which postulated that if one of these countries fell to communism, then they all would. Clearly, that did not happen.

But it does not follow from this that the armed, covert, diplomatic and public relations campaigns that constituted the resistance to communism served no purpose and was a waste of time.

What happened in Vietnam was a spectacular tragedy, especially for the Vietnamese people, but to a lesser degree also for us. Nevertheless, it was a segment of a larger conflict against the spread of "communism," which eventually turned out to be basically successful.

Did you ever stop to think that those countries that the domino theory was afraid would fall to communism took a hard look at over ten years of fighting in Vietnam with almost 60,000 us soldiers dead,250,000arvn and about a million north vietnamese . In 1975 Communism probably did not look very promising..........
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Old 09-20-2017, 03:12 PM
 
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We gave up in 1973 and left the south Vietnamese out to dry.............

Politically we were divided in this country and the Democrat Congress just threw the towel for political reasons, and let millions of South Vietnamese OUT TO DRY.......yes I agree with you. It was shameful how our congress backstabbed the millions of people of South Vietnam and the hell they went through when the communists took over. Executions, tortures, and hard labor camps.

If Congress was going to do that in 1975, they should have done it in the 50's and just gave Vietnam to the commies and save everybody from the headaches and bloodshed.

just like Obama withdrew our troops out of Iraq that let ISIS on the loose.
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Old 09-20-2017, 03:14 PM
 
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So, we sacrificed all that as a part of a calculated plan. Amazing......

And somehow us losing the war helped win the Cold War....Even more amazing....

No, we did not need to lose that war, or any other war, in order to win the Cold War.



A theory that can never be proven.
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Old 09-20-2017, 03:15 PM
 
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Did you ever stop to think that those countries that the domino theory was afraid would fall to communism took a hard look at over ten years of fighting in Vietnam with almost 60,000 us soldiers dead,250,000arvn and about a million north vietnamese . In 1975 Communism probably did not look very promising..........


exactly!!!!!!.....they saw the Americans means business......it does have an effect how others countries would react.
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Old 09-20-2017, 03:18 PM
 
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I'm guessing he didn't make it, or else survived but didn't want to speak about his experiences, considering they listed who did the voice-over reading his letters home.

I was surprised to see he came from Saratoga Springs, which is only 20 miles north of where I live.

Interesting how his sister said that before he shipped out to Vietnam he was saying he didn't want to go. He was pretty gung ho to enlist, but I guess he figured out that it isn't all about fancy uniforms, parades and brass bands.

or just maybe he was just as human as anyone else..........His fear of dying still did not keep him from doing what he thought was right.
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Old 09-20-2017, 03:19 PM
 
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Did you ever stop to think that those countries that the domino theory was afraid would fall to communism took a hard look at over ten years of fighting in Vietnam with almost 60,000 us soldiers dead,250,000arvn and about a million north vietnamese . In 1975 Communism probably did not look very promising..........
It is why you have to fight back if you are attacked, even if you are likely to lose. If you are an easy mark, people will roll over you. If they know they will pay a heavy price to win, even if they know they can win, they will generally leave you alone.

Besides, by 1975 the communism espoused by Russia and China was not looking so attractive anymore, unless you want to live under an oppressive totalitarian dictatorship.

To be fair, I don't think the Vietnamese people were ever all that enamored with it either. As described in episode 1, they first and foremost just wanted their own independence, free of French colonialism. It was never their desire to be a proxy battlefield for the great powers of the Earth to bomb to smithereens while working out their ideological differences on.
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Old 09-20-2017, 03:22 PM
 
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Yes, it is easy, which is why everyone agrees it was a mistake. You are the only one who thinks it was a brilliant chess-move.

You asked about this twice.. you need to read this:


https://www.legion.org/magazine/2132...nt-war-vietnam
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Old 09-20-2017, 03:30 PM
 
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exactly!!!!!!.....they saw the Americans means business......it does have an effect how others countries would react.



Most posters here were not even alive during Vietnam.......they have little concept of the fear of communism during the 50's and 60's. Note most posters complete horror at our loss of 58,000. {which I abhor also} What message did ! million dead communists send to Russia and China......but more importantly any other country with a communist movement..........
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Old 09-20-2017, 03:33 PM
 
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It is why you have to fight back if you are attacked, even if you are likely to lose. If you are an easy mark, people will roll over you. If they know they will pay a heavy price to win, even if they know they can win, they will generally leave you alone.

Besides, by 1975 the communism espoused by Russia and China was not looking so attractive anymore, unless you want to live under an oppressive totalitarian dictatorship.

To be fair, I don't think the Vietnamese people were ever all that enamored with it either. As described in episode 1, they first and foremost just wanted their own independence, free of French colonialism. It was never their desire to be a proxy battlefield for the great powers of the Earth to bomb to smithereens while working out their ideological differences on.

A point also overlooked. The north Vietnamese never had to endure any land battles on their soil. Think about that. American soldiers constantly had to try to determine who was the enemy. unless it was after you were shot at which was usually too late.............


Can you imagine how demoralizing this made the south Vietnamese populace??
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