Chuck F Todd thinks rights come from Government, not from GOD. (solutions, laws)

[AnUnidentifiedMale]

What about the growing number of Americans who don't believe in gods? I think I'll put my faith in the government when it comes to rights. I don't know of any "god" that has ever given me anything.

[wallflash]

Originally Posted by No_Recess

I don't vote. Does that mean I didn't consent?

No, it means you forfeited your right to participate in having a say in governing yourself and your society.

[pknopp]

Originally Posted by wallflash

So we are delving into the silly, are we?

Interesting how many are unwilling to address the questions posed to them. They are valid questions based upon your positions.

Irrelevant. The point is that in that scenario if your family denied your "marriage" and took all of your possessions, excluding joint purchased ones where her name was on the purchase, there is nothing your "wife" could do about it. How often it might happen wouldn't change the legal reality.

That would be true if it could be done but it can't. My stuff is her stuff. No one can change that.

Of course they do. Say you and some kid develop this relationship. You simply declare yourselves father and son. Then his real family shows up, takes him home , and moves him to another state and gets a legal injunction against you seeing him. You can consider him your son all you want. But what does it matter in reality if he is taken from you and you are prevented from seeing him?

Biological families do this all the time. It does not change your relationship. The government does not determine what people consider each other.

[ahzzie]

Since the existence of a god or gods cannot be proven then I'd say that rights are indeed given by the government.

[No_Recess]

Originally Posted by wallflash

No, it means you forfeited your right to participate in having a say in governing yourself and your society.

Wow.

Time to tap out.

*shudders*

[wallflash]

Originally Posted by pknopp

Interesting how many are unwilling to address the questions posed to them. They are valid questions based upon your positions.

Not really valid, but anyway, no, I don't have a problem with the Constitution, which is not the issue here, and no, you don't have unalienable rights. You have the rights society grants its citizens. Nothing more, nothing less.

That would be true if it could be done but it can't. My stuff is her stuff. No one can change that.

And just how would she stop your family without a will? Explain that please.

Biological families do this all the time. It does not change your relationship. The government does not determine what people consider each other.

We aren't talking about feelings or thoughts . We are talking about rights. Learn the difference.


Address my point about the land your "wife" owned please, as you have accused me of dodging questions even though they were silly. Lets see you address a real life on.

[No_Recess]

Originally Posted by ahzzie

Since the existence of a god or gods cannot be proven then I'd say that rights are indeed given by the government.

Absent either entity occurring in nature outside of humans aren't both social constructs?

[wallflash]

Originally Posted by No_Recess

Wow.

Time to tap out.

*shudders*

???


Shuddering at what? Reality?




Do you drive whatever speed you wish because you don't recognize the government? Do you ignore law enforcement because you don't recognize the government that authorizes them? Would you spend a 100K building a house as you wished and tell the city to buzz off on their codes because you don't recognize their authority?


You and I no doubt live similar lives. I just live mine with an understanding of reality rather than in a pretend world.

[Catgirl64]

Originally Posted by No_Recess

Rights are natural. You have one general universal right:

The right to do as you wish as long as you uphold the non-aggression principle and by extension respect private property rights.

Governments only restrict/deny rights. They don't grant them.

I understand that you want to do away with government, but please explain one thing to me.

What happens if someone who is stronger and more well-armed than I am wants to violate my rights? Am I on my own at that point?

[pknopp]

Originally Posted by wallflash

Not really valid, but anyway, no, I don't have a problem with the Constitution, which is not the issue here, and no, you don't have unalienable rights. You have the rights society grants its citizens. Nothing more, nothing less.

I've noted how that is not true. You keep on falling back to legal. I point out where many are not concerned over "legal", they do it anyway. The government can not stop them.

And just how would she stop your family without a will? Explain that please.

It's our stuff. When I die it's hers stuff. It's simple. No one else has a right to her stuff.

We aren't talking about feelings or thoughts . We are talking about rights. Learn the difference.

So you do have a problem with the Constitution and inalienable rights. Nobody can take away two people's inalienable right to consider themselves family.

Address my point about the land your "wife" owned please, as you have accused me of dodging questions even though they were silly. Lets see you address a real life on.

Why can I not just consider it silly? Why is that your prerogative and not mine? Besides, I addressed it.