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Old 10-01-2017, 09:58 AM
 
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Whats strange to me, over in North Korea, most people view americans as evil people who kill and eat babies for breakfast, the NK leadership sees to it that this is how americans are viewed by his people, its in his best interest to do so...in the same way, we here in the US are constantly told how crazy Kim Jung is, they love to report on his crazy antics.

But How do we know any of this even accurate? I have a sneaky feeling the US leadership wants most americans to have a certain image of NK and Kim, and its probably for their benefit in some way that majority of people believe it.

Im not sure what it is, but the US wants something in NK.
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Old 10-01-2017, 09:59 AM
 
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Talking Calling your bluff!

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Democrats have started more wars than Republicans. Obama was a far bigger warmonger than Bush and Hillary was likely to continue it.

Some 2,500 Americans Have Died in Afghanistan and Iraq Under Obama - Rolling Stone

Don't forget as liberals keep pointing out, more people voted for Hillary than Trump.

Please list the wars "started by Democrats."

Here are a few definitely "started by Republicans."

Gulf War 1 - Bush 1
Afghanistan - Dubya
Gulf War 2 - Dubya

'Murica!

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Old 10-01-2017, 10:01 AM
 
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Last time I heard that my grand kids were fighting,they are 7 and 5!!!!!
so it didn't matter one bit that japan attacked us first in WW2?
because your grandkids once said something?
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Old 10-01-2017, 10:08 AM
 
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Uh; N Korea STARTED that war by invading S Korea and, word was the US almost lost. So our military started hitting back and HARD. N Korea almost lost but, China stepped in so things pretty much got stopped.
China stepped in long before that with logistical support and armaments to replace the loss of same when Stalin honoured his agreement upon establishment of the 38th parallel discussed as early as the Potsdam meetings. When the north invaded across that line Stalin had essentially washed his hands of N. Korea and stayed out of it but China stepped in big time.

The U.S. didn't almost lose; the whole multinational force of U.N. participants would have lost had it not been for some timely actions contributed to by some commonwealth members in the mud with you like the battle of Kapyong for just one.

The mistake was allowing the 'bone weariness' caused by years of WWII to override pushing them back to the Chinese border and holding there. We all should have considered it a worthy investment at the time but alas..... All countries involved carry the honour for stopping them but also the regret for not ending it in anything other than a stalemate. Those two imperatives are on all of us, not just the U.S.

In retrospect, I, and probably a bunch of other old pharts my age, are wondering at this point in time how having the benefit of future foresight of this day would have influenced all those other country's participation level and U.N. vote on the issue of cessation of hostilities back in the day had they known what the ensuing 60 years would eventually bring about.
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Old 10-01-2017, 10:27 AM
 
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Whats strange to me, over in North Korea, most people view americans as evil people who kill and eat babies for breakfast, the NK leadership sees to it that this is how americans are viewed by his people, its in his best interest to do so...in the same way, we here in the US are constantly told how crazy Kim Jung is, they love to report on his crazy antics.

But How do we know any of this even accurate? I have a sneaky feeling the US leadership wants most americans to have a certain image of NK and Kim, and its probably for their benefit in some way that majority of people believe it.

Im not sure what it is, but the US wants something in NK.
The ideal outcome would be one of a unified North and South Korea with that country being a functional democracy right on Communist China's doorstep.

That's the obvious desired outcome, but having said that, why is it you think the armistice has been allowed to idle along for over 60 years while N. Korean leaders have virtually starved their own populace resulting in their average lifespan and even body heights and mass being well behind that of their confreres in the south? If there is something there that the U.S. wants, why haven't they been more pro-active in attaining it before this?

https://www.theatlantic.com/business...-korea/250244/

More importantly why hasn't that august body of the U.N. been raising a drumbeat of stopping the atrocities committed by a succession of Kims.

You either attribute far more patience to U.S. leadership than has been demonstrated on any number of other issues or.......the alternative is simply the status quo being preferable to every other available option.
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Old 10-01-2017, 10:48 AM
 
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Most Americans don't even know where N Korea is. They certainly don't know its history or anything about the Korean War, aka "The Forgotten War''. This you'll never see in the history books.

What War With North Korea Looked Like in the 1950s and Why It Matters Now




This crap happens because common people do not hold the warmongers of their societies accountable for their crimes.
Excellent Post
The Warmongers in this country really are a blight on this nation

The ones mostly rooting for war are the people that do not have skin in the game.

They talk about their preparations, farm and hide away place so of course, they do not want all that work to go to waste and want to see some destruction and death.



Why do we not just go home and police our on borders instead of following the PNAC Globalist Agenda?
Why not let China, Russia and South Korea handle it since he is on their borders?


If North Korea was teamed up with ships and soldiers on our Southern Border with Mexican Soldiers with us in their cross hairs, should we feel threatened?

I would support an attack against them as would all Americans

It appears North Korea is the one showing Strategic Patience

We are the bully in this scenario and God will act accordingly
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Old 10-01-2017, 10:50 AM
 
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North Korea shows strategic patience because they are scared to do anything other than bomb water.
Kim was too afraid to even bomb Guam.
They know its game over once they harm someone, so they stick to water.
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Old 10-01-2017, 10:51 AM
 
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So you'd think that they would be a little more polite in dealing with the rest of the world, remembering what was done and knowing it can easily be done again. Maybe it's time to since reason doesn't work with them.

And, you're the first to blame Hitler and Bush in the same sentence. Congrats!
I think South Korea, Japan, Russia and China should take some personal responsibility and deal with Kim since it is their own neighbor and we can come back home from our 10,000 mile trip and police our on borders.

I hope the people wishing for War and start WW3 have a nuke dropped drop close to them so they can see their kids vaporized before it over takes them as wel
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Old 10-01-2017, 10:53 AM
 
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Its complex. Suffice to say most Americans are ignorant sheep and some just like to see the world burn so long as they don't have to pick up a gun and put their butts in a trench.

America glorafies the culture of war. As a people we're backward in ways.
I would not be opposed to forcefully shipping people against their will, along with their families to the DMZ Zone that are in favor of war, so they have skin in the game
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Old 10-01-2017, 10:56 AM
 
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Uh, the N Koreans started that little scrap. MacArthur wanted to drop a nuke. Truman should have let him.

You have a twisted view of history.
We have been the bully all along, 10,000 miles away from our own borders, spreading death and destruction since WW2

The warmongers will never have their appetite for death and destruction satiated
Next up will be Iran, and then the next boogie man will be Russia or China


It will never stop with these people, they are the biggest threat this country faces
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