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Old 10-03-2017, 10:23 AM
 
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Again with the "cool gun" crap. Just stop already. There is no practical difference between semi auto, lever action, pump action, or bolt action repeating firearms in how they can kill. I guess you are more comfortable when insane people, and terrorists use bombs, cars, or trucks to kill. Does that make you "feel" better?

Please don't post such idiotic stuff suggesting there is no difference between a semi auto holding 15 or more rounds per mag that is capable of being rapid fired and reloaded almost instantly, and a shotgun or rifle .You simply demonstrate that you have no common sense and aren't worth taking seriously.




And I have been assured by too many gun owners both in person and on forums like this that if I would just go to the range and spend a day firing an AR15 I would find out for myself just how fun and cool they are. That the appearance of being a bunch of big boys playing with their cool toys bothers you is of absolutely no concern to me.




If you will recall Bushmaster used to run an ad challenging gun nutters to " get their man card back" by buying a semi auto. The ad campaign was a pretty big success with you boys rushing down to do just that. Bushmaster knows the mindset of its customers.
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:24 AM
 
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LOL...you just don't get it though do you ?


You do realize those that are responsible for the 8000 gun related homicides are already criminals... I highly doubt they will hand in their guns.


You have to realize a criminal doesn't think like you. They could care less about laws.
If they did it is highly likely they would be arrested for possession of a stolen weapon or having the serial number filed off.
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Don't people know how this will all end?

Our lifestyle is unsustainable. The big threat is automation.

Banks know this. The majority of jobs will become automated, which will leave hundreds of millions and even billions of unemployable people.

Being homeless is essentially a crime. People are riddled with student loans that they may never be able to pay back since labor capital will continue to be replaced through technology and through lower wage rates in developing nations or essentially, labor arbitrage.

Central banks are currently purchasing real estate and equities, artificially inflating your 401K and other assets such as real estate. Why?

Because there ain't no slave like a debt slave.

Now do you see why they want your guns?
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Interesting point. So you are saying that there will be hundreds of thousands, or millions, out of work, with no income roaming the streets, and terrorizing the countryside?

I think you may be forgetting the innovative ability of the human being to figure out something productive to do.
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:24 AM
 
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Under my system the criminals would be anyone with those types of guns, making them much, much, much easier to find and prosecute.
But your system has no God, so why do you think anyone will listen?

If you are on the top of a Godless society, you are now God.

Get used to it. It's coming!!!
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:25 AM
 
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Ahh...the Las Vegas shooter was a law abiding citizen who owned 40 guns. What went wrong with that?
Better question is "What is wrong with that?"
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:25 AM
 
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What is the fundamental difference between an "Assault weapon" and any other semi-auto?



You recall the ban that Democrats wanted on anyone trying to purchase a gun that was on the "do not fly" list? The bill being pushed by Democrats stripped a person of their rights based on a bureaucratic decision. It's unlikely it would have survived the courts.

You would agree that if we are going to strip someone of their rights the bar has to be set pretty high?

The Republicans offered a reasonable compromise that was endorsed by the NRA. It would have barred someone on that list for 3 days from purchasing a weapon and permanently with a court order. This bill they put forth would of had difficulties in the courts itself but had a far better chance than the bill being pushed by the Democrats.

It only needed 8 votes from Senate Democrats but because of the "my way or the highway" attitude it received none and was not passed. Currently there is no ban for anyone on these lists to purchase a gun. They were offered something that could of passed with their support and failed to pass it.



Where did I ever mention an "assault weapon"?
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:26 AM
 
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As a gun owner what would it take for you guys to seriously consider some type of gun control compromise? At this point you're not even willing to give a little in regards to your rights?
I see why you, as someone that I assume is on the left, would think that "giving in a little" on rights is acceptable to the American people. After all, the left thinks that free speech should be controlled, as is evident in the violent reactions to peaceful protests that they disagree with.

But, to answer your question, it would take nothing. Our Constitutional Rights are non-negotiable. No compromise. No "giving in a little". The founding fathers knew what they were doing, which is proven by the fact that we are still free, safe and a beacon of hope for the world.
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:26 AM
 
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But your system has no God, so why do you think anyone will listen?
They don't have to listen, they can just go to prison instead. That's how laws work.
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:27 AM
 
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Semi - still fires many more rounds in a minute than single fire, thus risking many more peoples lives in the same amount of time.

Honest question to those who enjoy guns in a responsible manner - why is there a need for semi-automatic weapons in the hands of the general public, aside from using the excuse "it's your right"? Can't get enjoyment from single fire weapons?

The world has changed. Terrorism isn't just tied to ISIS, but it can be a lone wolf's beliefs.
First - the 2nd Amendment was not written to protect a hobby or sport. It was written to protect the natural individual right of keeping and bearing arms, which extends from the natural individual right of self-defense. It was written by men who had just successfully revolted from a superior, more well armed and supplied force. They were pretty fierce in their fear of a tyrant oppressing the citizenry. This is why there is no disclaimer in the 2nd Amendment that defines "arms" because the arms used by BOTH the Colonial Army and the militias were the EQUAL of the British troops. They understood then that keeping and bearing arms meant keeping and bearing the arms equal to those who might oppress them.

Second - different weapons serve different self-defense purposes. Where the semi-automatic weapon fits in the various defense scenarios is versus multiple opponents that are between 30 and 500 yards (depending on caliber and precision). The most plausible scenarios that would require that defense are: armed force invading US, rioting mob, and our own government employing armed oppression. None are probable, but all are possible. The semiautomatic sporting rifle would be the ideal weapon for defense in any of these cases, as these are all militia-type scenarios. Bottom line, in the modern world, the semiautomatic rifle is the nearly ideal militia weapon for the private citizen.

The world having changed does not change the reasons behind nor the need for the natural individual right to keep and bear arms which is protected explicitly and without condition or nuance by the 2nd Amendment.
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:28 AM
 
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Interesting point. So you are saying that there will be hundreds of thousands, or millions, out of work, with no income roaming the streets, and terrorizing the countryside?

I think you may be forgetting the innovative ability of the human being to figure out something productive to do.
No.

Humans are similar to machines. We take our experiences and process that information to come up with something useful.

Machines are capable of processing much more information with a higher statistical accuracy at a far faster pace, and learning from that information, just like humans.

Machines will overtake humans in learning capacity and there will be no jobs left for humans to perform.

That's what Elon Musk means when he says AI is our greatest existential threat.

So yes, take away weapons. Crash the economy. Consolidate banking into one global entity and then figure out how to deal with the "population problem."

This will happen in your lifetime. It's already happening.
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