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Old 10-16-2017, 06:57 AM
 
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I would be fine with that as long as the states can create residency requirements. Blue states do not want to deal with red state refugees. We want to base our policies on averages, not people gaming the states when they get sick. I'm thinking five or ten year minimums.

Trump promised health coverage for everyone paid for by the government. Republicans were relentless about Obama even though Obama wanted a public option. The same standards apply to Trump. Trump lied.

So did Obama, will you say he lied?
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Old 10-16-2017, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Next thing you know we'll be forced to believe in the same religion, forced to watch the same TV shows, music, etc. People think that this will never/could happen but by forcing health insurance on us is just the start. People are refusing to think/choose for themselves so the government is stepping in and doing it for them. And they are more then okay with it.
People wouldn't be demanding the government step in on healthcare if the prices weren't so out of reach for the majority of the population. What's your solution that would bring the price of healthcare down to a point where insurance is no longer needed? What's your solution that would make healthcare expenses little more than a trip to the grocery store or well within the reach of average everyday people?
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Old 10-16-2017, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Houston
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So did Obama, will you say he lied?
At least Obama made an attempt. That abomination Trump and the GOP wanted to pass would have made things much worse. I would give them credit for at least trying but they knew that bill was a turd going in so I can't count that as an attempt.
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Old 10-16-2017, 08:51 AM
 
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At least Obama made an attempt. That abomination Trump and the GOP wanted to pass would have made things much worse. I would give them credit for at least trying but they knew that bill was a turd going in so I can't count that as an attempt.

Did Obama lie or not....because you disagree with how the gop is acting with trump, he is still attempting, like it or not.


I agree though, they should have had something....worth putting forward...
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Old 10-16-2017, 09:57 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Trump as he said can shoot someone in broad daylight and his moron followers will still love him. And they will go on loving him after he destroys their healthcare, takes them off dialysis and feeding tubes. It's that sick.
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Old 10-16-2017, 10:04 AM
 
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Trump as he said can shoot someone in broad daylight and his moron followers will still love him. And they will go on loving him after he destroys their healthcare, takes them off dialysis and feeding tubes. It's that sick.

The destruction of the healthcare system started in 2010...signed Obama....
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Old 10-16-2017, 10:44 AM
 
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The destruction of the healthcare system started in 2010...signed Obama....
Rubbish.

ACA has had ZERO IMPACT on 90% of the healthcare insurance market.


Do you understand that Chuck? if not stop and think. most Americans get their insurance through their employer or their spouses employer.

have you got your head around that stunning fact?

Most of the market is simply fine. What has changed with ACA is that now millions more have healthcare insurance that did not. And millions with preexisting conditions can now afford coverage.

Your "destruction" is false, it is fake news, nonsense.

Has the cost of HC insurance gone up? YEP, just like it has fo the last few decades, and the spikes this year are due to TRUMP and his purposeful policies designed to hurt ACA.

Trump PROMISED his supporters and all of america that he had a plan For better, cheaper insurance for everyone and that we would "love it".

It was a huge lie.


Obama OVER promised and could not deliver. Trump lied there is a massive difference and YOU KNOW IT.


"keeping your doc" is over promising.

pretending to have a plan that you dont have is lying. Trump is a liar .
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Old 10-16-2017, 10:48 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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As opposed to your savior obama, who stated (paraphrased) under my plan, All Americans will be covered...
But, but, but Obama!

WHAT a lame, BS excuse!

1) Obama isn't and never was my savior

2) Nothing you said negates Trump's long, well documented history of being a lying con-man.


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How'd that work for ya?
Better than the jackass is working for me.
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Old 10-16-2017, 10:57 AM
 
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Rubbish.

ACA has had ZERO IMPACT on 90% of the healthcare insurance market.


Do you understand that Chuck? if not stop and think. most Americans get their insurance through their employer or their spouses employer.

have you got your head around that stunning fact?

Most of the market is simply fine. What has changed with ACA is that now millions more have healthcare insurance that did not. And millions with preexisting conditions can now afford coverage.

Your "destruction" is false, it is fake news, nonsense.

Has the cost of HC insurance gone up? YEP, just like it has fo the last few decades, and the spikes this year are due to TRUMP and his purposeful policies designed to hurt ACA.

Trump PROMISED his supporters and all of america that he had a plan For better, cheaper insurance for everyone and that we would "love it".

It was a huge lie.

Obama OVER promised and could not deliver. Trump lied there is a massive difference and YOU KNOW IT.


"keeping your doc" is over promising.

pretending to have a plan that you dont have is lying. Trump is a liar .

Funny, if it only messes with 90%, there sure are a lot of people complaining over nothing then....even those that have employer coverage could not keep their dr.....explain that...


And, Alabama premiums went up over 220% in the last 3-4 years, so there goes you "spikes" argument out the window...and trumps fault....


Obama ALSO promised that under his plan all Americans would be covered, for cheaper also...maybe you forgot that.


Destruction, why are so many pulling out of the insurance market?


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"My plan begins by covering every American. If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is that the amount of money you will spend on premiums will be less,"

Is Obama a liar or not?


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-u...lth-care-plan/




Lie of the Year: 'If you like your health care plan, you can keep it' | PolitiFact


^political lie of the year....
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Old 10-16-2017, 11:14 AM
 
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Funny, if it only messes with 90%, there sure are a lot of people complaining over nothing then....even those that have employer coverage could not keep their dr.....explain that...





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What are you talking about chuck.

only 9.2 million americans are signed up for ACA.

what part of that are you failing to understand? 9.2 million. not 0.9, not 90m but 9.2 million.

that means ACA has had no impact on the healthcare insurance of about 90% of americans, if you are finding the math hard i am happy to walk you through it.




the rest of your post is just childish bs. if you don't understand healthcare insurance price increases, use google and look at a chart. there are lots of them and most of them show a steady increase in costs over the last 20 years.

Trump has forced insurers to raise prices for 2018 by his refusing to pay subs and his various attempts to destabilize the market.


The number of people against ACA is about one out of 8 people. most americans say you are wrong and they do not support Trump's actions. they don't want repeal or replace, they want it fixed instead.


remember ACA is basically a republican plan, that is hated mostly because the Dems would get the credit for the next 50 years.....
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