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"Former president Barack Obama’s official campaign organization has directed nearly a million dollars to the same law firm that funneled money to Fusion GPS, the firm behind the infamous Steele dossier. Since April of 2016, Obama For America (OFA) has paid over $972,000 to Perkins Coie, records filed with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) show"
What a corrupt nightmare the Obama administration was. There's an excellent chance Obama’s campaign organization (OFA) paid Perkins Coie to funnel money to Fusion GPS to create the dossier that the Obama administration then used to justify secret surveillance of the Trump administration.
The Fusion GPS investigation into Donald Trump was started by republicans who did not like Trump during the GOP primary. And it was republicans who first paid Fusion GPS to start the Trump investigation (democrats then later began funding the same Fusion GPS investigation into Trump.)
The conservative publication Washington Free Beacon first hired Fusion GPS to investigate Trump. And billionaire GOP donor Paul Singer provided the financial support to hire Fusion GPS to investigate Trump. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.193122724deb
Questions for republicans,
Did the republicans who first hired Fusion GPS to investigate Donald Trump do anything wrong?
Should republican groups involved with Fusion GPS be investigated?
Or are the republicans who originally hired Fusion GPS to investigate Donald Trump innocent, and only democrats who later funded the same investigation guilty?
Question: If the surveillance was based on nothing else but the dossier then does it mean to You that anything discovered is illegal and as such to be ignored, no matter what?
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NO!, and that's a dang good question.
If something illegal is discovered it should be made public - and I think it will be made public. No one will be able to prosecute, of course, but no one should be afraid to see the king in his underwear.
On the other hand, cries of "coverup" should be backed up with something other than, "I just really believe".... and "Everyone knows"...
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That's a legal issue I'm not qualified to answer. But there is a term called fruit of the poisonous vine that covers this. But let me point this out...because of this fake dossier, ex-CIA Director John Brennan briefed then-Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid about possible links between Trump associates and Russian operatives. According to The New York Times, officials in the meeting said that Brennan “indicated that unnamed advisers to Mr. Trump might be working with the Russians to interfere in the election.
All this madness because of a fake dossier paid for by Obama, Clinton and the DNC. You Democrats have very dirty hands.
its called fruit of the poisonous tree, and if the dossier is proven to be false, which so far it has been, then ANY evidence gathered as a result of using that dossier, unless it can be proven by independent means, is tainted and cannot be used in court against anyone. it also means that ANY warrant issued from the use of the dossier as evidence is null and void, and any case built on the dossier should be thrown out of court and all investigations ended.
and the reason all investigations should be ended is because they also are fruit of the poisonous tree. you cant use a fraudulent dossier to build a case against anyone.
its called fruit of the poisonous tree, and if the dossier is proven to be false, which so far it has been, then ANY evidence gathered as a result of using that dossier, unless it can be proven by independent means, is tainted and cannot be used in court against anyone. it also means that ANY warrant issued from the use of the dossier as evidence is null and void, and any case built on the dossier should be thrown out of court and all investigations ended.
and the reason all investigations should be ended is because they also are fruit of the poisonous tree. you cant use a fraudulent dossier to build a case against anyone.
Can you provide evidence showing that (all) of the official investigation into Donald Trump and Russian ties is based on the Fusion GPS dossier?
And can you provide evidence that the Fusion GPS dossier is even a minor part of the official Trump investigation?
Obama the snake used FAKE NEWS to start an investigation of Trump . Obama has colluded with the FBI,the IRS and it is deep state to keep the American people from any power at all.
Trump put a stop to Washington doing what they want, not what the people want . About time AMERICANS came first. Not their globalist ideas that keep people without jobs and government bigger than people.
Here is an interesting and well-written opinion piece from Carl N Cannon in the Orange County Register -
(The timeline...Wikileaks has just exposed thousands of emails from the Democratic National Committee, outing the efforts of the DNC to sideline Sanders. The Clinton campaign could have just apologized, but that isn't in the Clinton DNA. Instead...)
"But repentance is not in the Clintons’ playbook. In this case, neither was candor. Instead, the campaign’s top officials formulated their lines of attack. First, they cast aspersions on the veracity of the WikiLeaks emails. Second, they insisted this was all a Russian plot to help Donald Trump. It was a calculated one-two punch. By calling into question the authenticity of the emails, Clinton didn’t have to respond to their contents — the sabotaging of Sanders’ campaign. In boxing vernacular, that was the left jab setting up the right cross, which was the Russia angle. The jab was a lie: They knew the emails were accurate. Playing the Russia card was, at best, disingenuous. Thanks to the Washington Post, we now know that the Clinton organization had been plotting a preemptive strike against Trump for months when it hired an anti-Republican opposition research outfit called Fusion GPS to go to Russia and dig up dirt on him.
What emerged from those efforts was the salacious anti-Trump “dossier” produced by ex-British spy Michael Steele and shopped around to liberal media outlets until BuzzFeed, an online site so hostile to Donald Trump that it refused to accept Republican ads in 2016, took the bait. Virtually everything Clinton and her surrogates have said about Russia and Trump from that day to this has been either a direct falsehood, or a lie of omission. Following up on a tip that Clinton and the DNC were paying Fusion GPS, New York Times reporters were told “vigorously” by Marc Elias, counsel to both the DNC and the Clinton campaign, that there was nothing to it. Yet, according to the Post expose, there was a lot to it — Elias was the one who hired Fusion GPS."
Here is an interesting and well-written opinion piece from Carl N Cannon in the Orange County Register -
(The timeline...Wikileaks has just exposed thousands of emails from the Democratic National Committee, outing the efforts of the DNC to sideline Sanders. The Clinton campaign could have just apologized, but that isn't in the Clinton DNA. Instead...)
"But repentance is not in the Clintons’ playbook. In this case, neither was candor. Instead, the campaign’s top officials formulated their lines of attack. First, they cast aspersions on the veracity of the WikiLeaks emails. Second, they insisted this was all a Russian plot to help Donald Trump. It was a calculated one-two punch. By calling into question the authenticity of the emails, Clinton didn’t have to respond to their contents — the sabotaging of Sanders’ campaign. In boxing vernacular, that was the left jab setting up the right cross, which was the Russia angle. The jab was a lie: They knew the emails were accurate. Playing the Russia card was, at best, disingenuous. Thanks to the Washington Post, we now know that the Clinton organization had been plotting a preemptive strike against Trump for months when it hired an anti-Republican opposition research outfit called Fusion GPS to go to Russia and dig up dirt on him.
What emerged from those efforts was the salacious anti-Trump “dossier” produced by ex-British spy Michael Steele and shopped around to liberal media outlets until BuzzFeed, an online site so hostile to Donald Trump that it refused to accept Republican ads in 2016, took the bait. Virtually everything Clinton and her surrogates have said about Russia and Trump from that day to this has been either a direct falsehood, or a lie of omission. Following up on a tip that Clinton and the DNC were paying Fusion GPS, New York Times reporters were told “vigorously” by Marc Elias, counsel to both the DNC and the Clinton campaign, that there was nothing to it. Yet, according to the Post expose, there was a lot to it — Elias was the one who hired Fusion GPS."
If Fusion GPS was hired IN ORDER to go to Russia, that a big problem. The law, as I understand it, says "A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election."
So it seems to me The DNC et al worked up a plan with plausible deniability built it. That is, they can just say, "Well, we didn't know where they got the information."
DOJ and Obama Administration have the problem of trying to interfere with elections. Especially if they used Russian information that was intended to throw the election.
Can you provide evidence showing that (all) of the official investigation into Donald Trump and Russian ties is based on the Fusion GPS dossier?
And can you provide evidence that the Fusion GPS dossier is even a minor part of the official Trump investigation?
its the document that started all the investigations into trump connections with russia. and icne that document was proven false, all investigations should have ended. unless you can come up with other documentation that shows otherwise, the problem is that you cant. and anything generated as a result of using that falsified is poisonous fruit and can never be used in a court of law.
in fact just using the falsified document makes the investigation illegal to begin with since there would have been no basis for the investigation in the first place.
If Fusion GPS was hired IN ORDER to go to Russia, that a big problem. The law, as I understand it, says [i]"A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election."
The bolded print you are responding to says "Fusion GPS (went) to Russia (to) dig up dirt on (Donald Trump.)"
It says nothing about contributions or donations. And it says nothing about a promise to make a contribution or a donation in connection to a election.
Is it illegal for Americans to go to another country to investigate another American citizen?
Politics is a dirty game and political campaigns (both republican and democrat) work to get negative information about their political opponents. And campaigns even start investigations looking for political dirt on members of their own political party they are running against or don't like (like when republicans started the Fusion GPS investigation on Donald Trump.)
Donald Trump only became part of the Russia investigation after he fired James Comey, and then Trump began being investigated for possible obstruction of justice. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/10/trum...tute-says.html
that document was proven false, all investigations should have ended.
This investigation is called the "Russian investigation" not the "Donald Trump investigation." And even Donald Trumps own top intelligence officials believe Russia interfered in the 2016 election. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/to...ion-2017-05-11
Should the investigation into Russia hacking our 2016 election be ended because there is a allegedly fake dossier about Donald Trump?
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If Fusion GPS was hired IN ORDER to go to Russia, that a big problem. The law, as I understand it, says "A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election."
So it seems to me The DNC et al worked up a plan with plausible deniability built it. That is, they can just say, "Well, we didn't know where they got the information."
DOJ and Obama Administration have the problem of trying to interfere with elections. Especially if they used Russian information that was intended to throw the election.
Nice try but Fusion Is not foreign nor did it make a donation of money or thing of value.
Besides Obama payment to law firm was when? Hmmmm?
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