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Old 10-31-2017, 09:47 PM
 
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This interview was done just before the Great Society programs were put in place in 1965. So the black family issues that many today blame on the Great Society programs were already present before these programs were put into place.




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Old 10-31-2017, 09:55 PM
 
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I thought he made an interesting observation when he said that there was no Negro family in the slave world. This sounds like slavery gave Blacks a very dysfunctional foundation for family formation moving forward.
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Old 10-31-2017, 10:07 PM
 
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What Great Society program was intended to help black families?
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Old 10-31-2017, 10:24 PM
 
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This interview was done just before the Great Society programs were put in place in 1965. So the black family issues that many today blame on the Great Society programs were already present before these programs were put into place..........
Yeah. I don't really blame it on Great Society programs, and I have written about this before.

First, I think, was when marriage among Black people was accidentally destroyed by government policy. That thought goes back to FDR and the very beginning of what became welfare. The table was badly tilted in the beginning, and mostly White women qualified. Men didn't often qualify. Black women sometimes did, but it was up to the states.

When Black women were finally included, there was still a "Man In The House" rule, which meant that both incomes were to be counted. That seemed - at least to most people - to imply that being married was a very good and normal thing.

But in 1968 the Man In The House rule was ruled unconstitutional. Now, being married actually worked against women, Black and White. Black women still qualified for welfare in greater numbers than White, but if the woman lived with a man instead of marrying him she didn't lose her welfare qualification. She could live with a wealthy man and still qualify for welfare in most states.

So, Black and White, they stopped getting married. And that's the way it is today. Many women who exist on the margins, economically, have children before marriage because the government will pay for the birth. Later, if there is any interest, they get married. But, often, they never do. And children grow up fatherless.

Black women bore the brunt of this action simply because they qualified for welfare more than White women. All society today suffers from this absence of fathers, but it had its start in government policy that was meant to help and a Supreme Court ruling that had unintended consequences.

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Old 10-31-2017, 10:27 PM
 
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This interview was done just before the Great Society programs were put in place in 1965. So the black family issues that many today blame on the Great Society programs were already present before these programs were put into place.
It's true that monogamous marriage was not part of the culture in the parts of Africa where African-American slaves came from. But it's also true that by 1960, white cultural norms imposed on blacks in this country produced huge changes such that only 20% of black kids were born outside of marriage. The Great Society undid all those social incentives and replaced them with incentives to have children outside of marriage.

So, yes, the Great Society destroyed the black family.
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Old 11-01-2017, 02:16 AM
 
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And when you come from a single parent family your chances of success diminish.
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Old 11-01-2017, 02:57 AM
 
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Yeah. I don't really blame it on Great Society programs, and I have written about this before.

First, I think, was when marriage among Black people was accidentally destroyed by government policy. That thought goes back to FDR and the very beginning of what became welfare. The table was badly tilted in the beginning, and mostly White women qualified. Men didn't often qualify. Black women sometimes did, but it was up to the states.

When Black women were finally included, there was still a "Man In The House" rule, which meant that both incomes were to be counted. That seemed - at least to most people - to imply that being married was a very good and normal thing.

But in 1968 the Man In The House rule was ruled unconstitutional. Now, being married actually worked against women, Black and White. Black women still qualified for welfare in greater numbers than White, but if the woman lived with a man instead of marrying him she didn't lose her welfare qualification. She could live with a wealthy man and still qualify for welfare in most states.

So, Black and White, they stopped getting married. And that's the way it is today. Many women who exist on the margins, economically, have children before marriage because the government will pay for the birth. Later, if there is any interest, they get married. But, often, they never do. And children grow up fatherless.

Black women bore the brunt of this action simply because they qualified for welfare more than White women. All society today suffers from this absence of fathers, but it had its start in government policy that was meant to help and a Supreme Court ruling that had unintended consequences.

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedict...the-House+Rule
Sounds about right. My gf, a millennial was brought up that it was absolutely ok to have children out of wedlock. Today she wonders what the hell were they teaching. They were taught that two parent families weren't needed, the whole "it takes a village to raise a child" nonsense.
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Old 11-01-2017, 03:19 AM
 
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Listener, you are correct.
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Old 11-01-2017, 03:31 AM
 
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Sounds about right. My gf, a millennial was brought up that it was absolutely ok to have children out of wedlock. Today she wonders what the hell were they teaching. They were taught that two parent families weren't needed, the whole "it takes a village to raise a child" nonsense.
One of my millennial relatives had a child out of wedlock a few years ago. It leaves me shaking my head. Her parents both have graduate degrees, and have been married for about 40 years, but I imagine the "it takes a village" feeling has wielded some influence (her mom is a huge Hillary, fan and her mom has friends who know Hillary personally). She (the millennial) lives with the father and her toddler. It isn't about government benefits (she's a successful attorney, and her boyfriend is an outside sales rep for a large company and also has a side business). Her parents even rented out their house and rented an apartment to be closer to their grandchild. It's got to be her decision...her boyfriend just about worships her. I don't think anyone on either side of my family going back at least 125+ years has ever had a child outside of marriage before. She's the first.
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Old 11-01-2017, 03:55 AM
 
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There does seem to be an increase in single parent homes since 1964 and black households seem to be the hardest hit.





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