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View Poll Results: What would be the most effective at curbing America’s gun violence?
More guns in the hands of more people 92 41.44%
Less guns in the hands of less people 130 58.56%
Voters: 222. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-06-2017, 11:41 AM
 
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People should be restricted? You advocating population control? How liberal of you. No, guns should be restricted because humans are quite faulty, as we decided. Nice of you to bring up a socialist like Orwell though.
Even Orwell knew the dangers of government having such power to protect society from itself by any means necessary. I guess you either didn't read it or it went right over your head.

Curfews would reduce the number of faulty humans from victimizing others. Ready for your curfew? It's for your own good.
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Old 11-06-2017, 11:53 AM
 
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Even Orwell knew the dangers of government having such power to protect society from itself by any means necessary. I guess you either didn't read it or it went right over your head.

Curfews would reduce the number of faulty humans from victimizing others. Ready for your curfew? It's for your own good.
I guess that’s why kids have a curfew. What’s yours?

I like when right wingers quote socialists and then pretend they’re not socialists. If you were right, Orwell wouldn’t have been a socialist then. Please keep quoting socialists though, obviously some idols of yours.
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Old 11-06-2017, 11:59 AM
 
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I guess that’s why kids have a curfew. What’s yours?

I like when right wingers quote socialists and then pretend they’re not socialists. If you were right, Orwell wouldn’t have been a socialist then. Please keep quoting socialists though, obviously some idols of yours.
So, your belief is that nobody can agree with a single thing from someone on the other end of the political spectrum.

"You can't bring up Orwell because he's a socialist and you're not."

I suppose I should place a curfew on you until you are old enough to use some logic.
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Old 11-06-2017, 12:03 PM
 
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No, it is not. I know there are people who collect guns, particularly old guns, as a hobby. That is not what I am talking about, and I suspect you and the others who commented on my post know that. I am not talking about hobby collecting. I am talking about people who have a private arsenal, loads of ammunition, and who talk constantly about the need to be so armed because they are sure the government is going to come and take all their weapons. Can you not see a difference here?
No, I don't see a difference. Hobbies and enthusiasms. If you collect things that are perfectly legal to purchase, own, store, etc...whatever reasons you have are yours and of no consequence to anyone else.

I personally own several types of firearms because I believe in self-reliance and insuring against as many things as I can within reason and affordability. A pistol solves addresses CQC scenarios inside 20 yards, as does a 12 gauge. My semi-auto 308 addresses multiple scenarios out to 400-500 yards, and my bolt action rifles of various calibers handle both intermediate and long range scenarios. I hope that other than hunting, none of these weapons ever get used for the scenario for which they are most suited, but like all forms of preparation, better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Of the scenarios I feel are legitimate reasons to own firearms, one is indeed the tyrannical government, foreign or domestic. It is highly improbable, but as history shows repeatedly and reliably...certainly possible. In the meantime, my weapons only ever leave their comfy safe when they are going to shoot paper targets or the occasional woodland creature that makes a good sausage or burger. I have never wanted to harm anyone, nor do I see myself ever becoming that way...but I do prefer to have the tools available such that if bad things are ever coming down my street, I can make a very persuasive argument to go to the next house and leave mine alone.

I don't live in fear, nor am I paranoid. I have the means to acquire firearms and ammunition, I have the knowledge and expertise to own and operate them safely, and I am a free individual with a natural right of self-defense, from which extends the right to keep and bear arms. Still not seeing how owning multiple weapons makes me a danger or even remotely suspicious, even if I am waxing libertarian about my natural individual rights.
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Old 11-06-2017, 12:08 PM
 
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So, your belief is that nobody can agree with a single thing from someone on the other end of the political spectrum.

"You can't bring up Orwell because he's a socialist and you're not."

I suppose I should place a curfew on you until you are old enough to use some logic.
Only to point out the blatant hypocrisy of so many right wingers that eschew socialist tenets and then inadvertently exalt socialists. Although, maybe you are a closet socialist. No, people should believe what is correct for the situation at hand, not blind dogma.
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Old 11-06-2017, 12:16 PM
 
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Only to point out the blatant hypocrisy of so many right wingers that eschew socialist tenets and then inadvertently exalt socialists. Although, maybe you are a closet socialist. No, people should believe what is correct for the situation at hand, not blind dogma.
You don't think government overreach isn't a major concern of conservativism?

I'd say Orwell wrote as a conservative in 1984.
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Old 11-06-2017, 12:21 PM
 
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You don't think government overreach isn't a major concern of conservativism?

I'd say Orwell wrote as a conservative in 1984.
Maybe slip of tongue.

Orwell died in 1950.


"1984" was about the future when written and about what government overreach had the potential of becoming should it be left unchecked. The televised media was used to control minds & thoughts. Language changed to do the same.
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Old 11-06-2017, 12:23 PM
 
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Maybe slip of tongue.

Orwell died in 1950.
I think he meant the book......
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Old 11-06-2017, 12:23 PM
 
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Maybe slip of tongue.

Orwell died in 1950.
In the BOOK 1984, silly.
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Old 11-06-2017, 12:24 PM
 
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You don't think government overreach isn't a major concern of conservativism?

I'd say Orwell wrote as a conservative in 1984.
Government overreach? Who wants that? Looks like you need to read some more history. Orwell was never a conservative. He fought in the Spanish civil war on the side of the SOCIALISTS! I know facts are the bane of the right but try a little, it ain’t that hard.

One has got to be actively a Socialist, not merely sympathetic to Socialism, or one plays into the hands of our always-active enemies.

- George Orwell

Conservative enough for you?
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