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View Poll Results: Should assault rifles (e.g. AR-15) be removed from the marketplace?
Yes 40 24.10%
No 126 75.90%
Voters: 166. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-08-2017, 07:32 PM
 
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I know this question makes a lot of people uncomfortable, but nonetheless I think it's worth asking. In the wake of yet another rampage perpetrated by a deranged lunatic with an (assault) rifle, the question is going to be asked and one way or another the gun issue is going to be addressed. Let me preface this by saying I'm not a liberal anti-gun nut who ****s myself at the sight of a gun, but rather a gun owner and an ardent gun rights advocate. I abhor despotic Democrat-run states like New York and New Jersey that de facto prohibit all but the rich and politically connected from owning and carrying firearms. I abhor "gun-free zones" like schools, hospitals, and universities where occupants are disarmed and forced to be victims of an armed intruder. I think everyone who isn't deranged or a criminal should be allowed access to small arms without having to beg for permission and/or pay a ransom to the state. An armed society makes for a polite society. That statement has been proven time and again. Despite what the psychos from New York and California will tell you, most people are less likely to engage in anti-social behavior when they have to back up said behavior with their life.

That being said, as a rational thinking human being I also abhor the idea of a deranged lunatic going on a killing spree with an assault rifle. The system is supposed to keep criminals and mental ill from accessing deadly weapons, yet the very system has failed time and again. Spree killings are not only getting more and more frequent, but also more and more deadly. The first one I'm old enough to remember, that sent the nation into collective shock was Columbine, and sadly if that happened today it wouldn't even register as so many more deadly spree killings have taken place since. I've heard all of the arguments in favor or rifles and have made some of them in the past to the anti-gun left, but the more I think about the topic, the more specious the pro-rifle arguments appear to me.

First of all, the AR-15 is in neither a hunting rifle nor sporting rifle, it's an assault rifle. It was developed for the military for the purpose of cover fire. The variant sold to civilians is semi-automatic, while the models used by the military are select-fire. That's the only difference, otherwise they're one and the same. An AR-15 makes a poor choice for a hunting rifle and even worse for self-defense. If someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night, you're going to shoot them with an AR-15? Do you not realize that even if you aim the rifle accurately the bullet has so much force that it will exit your target, go through a wall and kill one of your family members? The best weapon for home and self-defense is a pistol with hollow point ammo. You think you're going to use your rifle to fend off a government siege? Please, the government has enough manpower and firepower to wipe you off the face of the earth and every record that you ever existed. It's insane to think that you can fight the government with a rifle. Like I said before, the system can't seem to keep these weapons out of the hands of deranged people, so maybe it's time to take them off the market. I understand that they're fun to own and to operate, and I enjoy target shooting as much as the next person, but if we can't keep them out of the hands of crazy people, then perhaps we have the duty to get rid of them for the common good. Thoughts?
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Old 11-08-2017, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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First of all, the AR-15 is in neither a hunting rifle nor sporting rifle, it's an assault rifle.

First of all, you're completely wrong. It is absolutely both a sporting and hunting rifle and is absolutely not an "assault rifle". Millions of people use variants of the AR-15 for hunting, it's an excellent choice for varmint hunting. Let me guess, the AR15 is evil and no one needs it, but the Ruger Mini 14 is just fine.

You claim "I'm not a liberal anti-gun nut who ****s myself at the sight of a gun" but you sure sound like one.
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Old 11-08-2017, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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an ar15 is NOT an assault rifle...its a 223/5.56 rifle that's it

an ak74 (semi) (civilian not auto version of the ak47... is just a rifle...NOT an assault rifle

an assault rifle would be a rifle that can rifle on full auto..like the older military m16


a berretta 92 (m9) is not an assault weapon...its a 9mm pistol, and its MADE to come with a 15rd mag


my street howitzer (aka my shotgun) is not an assault weapon either
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Old 11-08-2017, 07:47 PM
 
Location: My House
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Nobody needs an AR-15 for personal use.
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Old 11-08-2017, 07:48 PM
 
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OP, the AR15 at the sporting goods store isn't an assault rifle.

Since you don't have that very basic knowledge, this appears to be a topic that is over your head.
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Old 11-08-2017, 07:49 PM
 
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Nobody needs an AR-15 for personal use.
Nobody NEEDS a swimming pool.

Why do you want to outlaw things people don't need?
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Old 11-08-2017, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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I agree on the AR-15. However Rifles should be allowed as long as the background check comes back OK.
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Old 11-08-2017, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Nobody needs an AR-15 for personal use.
why not...its only a 22 cal rifle...and not the best 22 out there

an ar15 is a hunting rifle, for small game...just like anyother 22/223


I can do a lot more damage with a 30-06, a 30-30, a 308, a 44, etc
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Old 11-08-2017, 07:52 PM
 
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I agree on the AR-15. However Rifles should be allowed as long as the background check comes back OK.
Which specific rifles do you declare to be ok?
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Old 11-08-2017, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I agree on the AR-15. However Rifles should be allowed as long as the background check comes back OK.
agree....

I have no problem with background checks...just wish the liberals would allow the mental health records to go into it, instead of screaming hippa violations

the NRA has even said it doesn't mind background checks too include mental stability in those background checks

liberals argue against adding the mental part of the background checks....they spin that it will be a violation of HIPPA

it doesn't have to affect hippa at all.... you go for a gun... instant 5 minute background check happens...comes back as code 99(or what ever)...."sorry sir, I can not sell this to you at this time, please check with the NSA you got this code (I don't know what the codes mean) you case number is this, please straighten out the issue before you return"


simple yes?
but noooo, liberals have to complain that it would be a violation of hippa


the problem is mental illness, not the amount of guns out there
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