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Old 11-15-2017, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Originally Posted by le roi View Post
This is a strawman, by the way.

No one ever said "ban the big scary looking guns with too many attachments." People want to ban the guns that are capable of putting out large #'s of rounds over a short amount of time, regardless of what they look like.

In particular, you can't add some clip that increases the capacity and pretend the two are identical. That's just silly.
The magazines themselves are an "attachment".

Any gun that accepts a detachable magazine is only limited in capacity by the actual size of the magazine.

Limiting them to say, 10 rounds is an exercise in futility because increasing the length of the magazines is all that is necessary to increase capacity. And anyone with basic sheet metal skills could probably do so if they really wanted to.
Other methods such as connecting two magazines together can make magazine changes so fast that limiting their capacity is almost irrelevant.

No modifications need to be made to the weapon itself at all in order to do this.


California tried to make it harder by requiring an actual tool of some kind to release the magazines....known as the "bullet button" because it was ruled that a bullet fit the description of a tool.

But manufactures quickly devised workarounds for the law such as incorporating the "tool" into the magazine itself, either permanently attached or connected by a stout rubber band. Other solutions include things like a ring with the tool built into it.

With a minimal amount of practice, anyone can change a magazine, even with a "bullet button" so fast as to make limitations on magazine capacity sort of silly in real world scenarios.

Then you have the fact that only law abiding gun owners care about complying with all this nonsense.

 
Old 11-15-2017, 08:17 AM
 
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Any gun that accepts a detachable magazine is only limited in capacity by the actual size of the magazine.
sounds like you've identified a very broad class of guns that need to be made illegal.

see? y'all can be useful

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anyone with basic sheet metal skills could probably do so if they really wanted to.
yes which dramatically reduces the amount of people capable of doing it.
 
Old 11-15-2017, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Originally Posted by le roi View Post
sounds like you've identified a very broad class of guns that need to be made illegal.

see? y'all can be useful



yes which dramatically reduces the amount of people capable of doing it.
Do you have any clue whatsoever how many millions of weapons that work this way are already out there, as well as extra magazines for them?
Most owners have at least two and many have several or more.


There is no way to keep a criminal or a nutcase from obtaining and using these weapons with malicious intent unless you advocate stormtrooper, door to door searches and confiscation.

And yet we are told over and over by gun control advocates that "nobody is coming for your guns".

Apparently, what they actually mean is that "nobody is coming for your guns YET.
 
Old 11-15-2017, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Originally Posted by le roi View Post
sounds like you've identified a very broad class of guns that need to be made illegal.

You are truly delusional to think you can make the most common, and widespread firearms in the U.S. illegal. Most modern firearms have a detachable magazine. They've been making guns with detachable magazines for over 120 years or even more.
 
Old 11-15-2017, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Gone
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You are truly delusional to think you can make the most common, and widespread firearms in the U.S. illegal. Most modern firearms have a detachable magazine. They've been making guns with detachable magazines for over 120 years or even more.
Hey now, don't interrupt them, this is good information, especially when they later claim they do not want to ban all guns, because as we see that Is their goal.


It will Never happen, because there are too many Americans that believe if you throw the Constitution into the trash can then the government itself no longer has legal standing. Sadly, some do not have the brains to grasp the reality and will continue to push for all guns to be banned and those in existence confiscated, how they would accomplish such a feat without going door to door and searching every home is a mystery. They may even try in states like California that are full of sheep and might even succeed, try that in a Free State like Texas and they Will have a War on their hands.


As for revolvers taking longer to reload,
https://youtu.be/ixoxCpYSFl4
 
Old 11-15-2017, 10:21 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Hey now, don't interrupt them, this is good information, especially when they later claim they do not want to ban all guns, because as we see that Is their goal.

It will Never happen, because there are too many Americans that believe if you throw the Constitution into the trash can then the government itself no longer has legal standing. Sadly, some do not have the brains to grasp the reality and will continue to push for all guns to be banned and those in existence confiscated, how they would accomplish such a feat without going door to door and searching every home is a mystery. They may even try in states like California that are full of sheep and might even succeed, try that in a Free State like Texas and they Will have a War on their hands.
"MAY even try it???"

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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...n_3117238.html

California Gun Confiscation Bill Passes, Approves $24 Million To Expedite Illegal Gun Seizure

By Kathleen Miles

The California state legislature passed a bill Thursday approving $24 million to expedite the confiscation of the estimated 40,000 handguns and assault weapons illegally owned by Californians.

SB 140, authored by Sen. Mark Leno (D-San Francisco), seeks to remedy the gun-confiscation backlog that has left thousands of illegal guns on the streets, including those owned by those with criminal convictions or serious mental illness.

“We are fortunate in California to have the first and only system in the nation that tracks and identifies individuals who at one time made legal purchases of firearms but are now barred from possessing them,” Leno said in a statement. “However, due to a lack of resources, only a few of these illegally possessed weapons have been confiscated, and the mountain of firearms continues to grow each day.”

The measure will take $24 million from the Dealer Record of Sale (DROS) surplus funds and give it to the California Department of Justice, which is in charge of confiscating illegal guns.
 
Old 11-15-2017, 10:21 AM
 
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Do you have any clue whatsoever how many millions of weapons that work this way are already out there, as well as extra magazines for them?
Yup, it's an awful lot.

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There is no way to keep a criminal or a nutcase from obtaining and using these weapons with malicious intent unless you advocate stormtrooper, door to door searches and confiscation.

And yet we are told over and over by gun control advocates that "nobody is coming for your guns".

Apparently, what they actually mean is that "nobody is coming for your guns YET.
I'm working on electing politicians who will be coming for your guns, if that part needs to be made any clearer.
 
Old 11-15-2017, 10:35 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I'm working on electing politicians who will be coming for your guns, if that part needs to be made any clearer.
It's good that this troll is engaged in pursuits that will fail and produce no results, while keeping him occupied and out of the way while the adults step in and fix what he and his ilk have broken.
 
Old 11-15-2017, 10:38 AM
 
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It's good that this troll is engaged in pursuits that will fail and produce no results, while keeping him occupied and out of the way while the adults step in and fix what he and his ilk have broken.
Gun people have had plenty of time to come up with reasonable regulations and restrictions that keep powerful weapons out of the hands of dangerous people.

Instead y'all have chosen to do nothing, so now the rest of us who don't particularly care about guns have to step in and be the adults here.
 
Old 11-15-2017, 11:04 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Gun people have had plenty of time to come up with reasonable regulations and restrictions that keep powerful weapons out of the hands of dangerous people.
And in doing so, the fanatic "gun control" advocates have only proven that their "reasonable regulations and restrictions" are completely unable to "keep powerful weapons out of the hands of dangerous people".

Now that drones such as yourself have so successfully demonstrated that your schemes don't work, it's time for normal people to start wondering why you keep pushing them anyway.
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