Single Payer Healthcare in America, an Obvious Answer... (illegal, Canada, Obama)
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The difference is that with insurance, you have the option not to buy it. Or, at least you did before the disaster known as bongo-care came around.
Option to become a freeloader you mean. No health insurance means you will get emergency treatment no matter what. And that is freakin' expensive. Who pays? Or do you want to tattoo the medical insurance status on people's forehead so paramedics can decide whether to treat someone involved in a car accident or not?
What an absurd argument for denying sick people the medicine they need to survive or live a decent life.
Option to become a freeloader you mean. No health insurance means you will get emergency treatment no matter what. And that is freakin' expensive. Who pays? Or do you want to tattoo the medical insurance status on people's forehead so paramedics can decide whether to treat someone involved in a car accident or not?
What an absurd argument for denying sick people the medicine they need to survive or live a decent life.
I had a pretty similar situation actually. I had emergency treatment, but the emergency room physicians were not in my network. So I got stuck with the entire bill. Pretty much the same situation as someone without insurance.
Who pays, you ask? I did. They sent a bill and I paid it.
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I had a pretty similar situation actually. I had emergency treatment, but the emergency room physicians were not in my network. So I got stuck with the entire bill. Pretty much the same situation as someone without insurance.
Who pays, you ask? I did. They sent a bill and I paid it.
Must be nice to just "be able to pay it". Most couldn't
I make good money, and a medical bill would bankrupt me. Imagine the average or working poor person in the same boat....
Must be nice to just "be able to pay it". Most couldn't
I make good money, and a medical bill would bankrupt me. Imagine the average or working poor person in the same boat....
I was making slightly under the single median income and paying for college at the time. Pretty sure that puts be in the average to poor range you mentioned. The bill was paid with money I had saved up. Yes, seeing a year's saving go out of the window was just so "nice". Must be all that white privilege.
So when I was younger and more poor, I had to pick up all of my own medical costs. Now that we have bongo-care and I make more, I still have to pay for my own care plus significant additional premiums to pickup the slack for others.
I was making slightly under the single median income and paying for college at the time. Pretty sure that puts be in the average to poor range you mentioned. The bill was paid with money I had saved up. Yes, seeing a year's saving go out of the window was just so "nice". Must be all that white privilege.
Why not consider instead the aspect of single payer that every other country utilizing such a system has figured out to their benefit? Everyone, on a yearly basis pays a portion of the cost determined by their ability to pay.
Instead of that years savings going out the window on a service that costs Americans more than any other first world nation; just a relatively small portion of it is paid yearly to cover you and everyone else.
Consider the actual tax rates of those nations you consider overly taxed, then compare to yours where you must pay usurious insurance rates, you must pay some co-pays, you must pay huge deductibles, then you get to wonder IF, after you've done all that, your insurance carrier is going to challenge due to some fine print of in-network, pre-existing condition, approved treatment, second opinion by insurance carrier practitioner..........among a whole bunch of other nonsense predicated upon saving them money and denying you care that NO ONE else in the first world developed nations have to deal with.
I love how some politicians in Congress call "Single Payor" socialism while they get free healthcare paid for by the US taxpayer !
Thats how socialism works; The ruling class gets theirs (and yours), while you go to work for the good of collective.
What a good idea to advocate for more of it, a.k.a single payer.
Everyone pays in and everyone is covered. If you want elite coverage, you can pay extra to elite doctors. This is an obvious answer to our healthcare crisis and works in other wealthy nations around the world. It is where we are heading, like it or not. And I don’t know why you would not.
Problems arise when some in single payer systems see that people around them can afford the "elite" doctors. Then they start whining that their nanny (government) isn't doing enough, or even providing an acceptable basic level, for them.
There will always be those for whom nothing is good enough.
I would like to see the congressional lifetime benefits of never-ending healthcare and paychecks go away. Get in term limits and give a severance package.
The countries that are using socialism pay a lot less per capita than our corporate system. That's all I need to know.
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