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Old 12-05-2017, 05:13 PM
 
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This situation isn't solely about religion, which the Left can easily claim is not good enough on some BS grounds of "separation of church and state". However, I think even Ayn Rand, a noted atheist, would have supported the baker's right to not give his services to something he was opposed to. Reading her works like The Fountainhead make that quite clear.
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Old 12-05-2017, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Southern Nevada
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So the gays want everyone to respect their rights but don't give a damn about someone else's beliefs. Sounds like the typical liberal mindset to me.
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Old 12-05-2017, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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This is far more serious than gerrymandering or even term limits. If someone can force someone else to do an activity that they're morally opposed to and can use the government to beat any who oppose going along with the arm of the state, what kind of society would that be? It wouldn't be a good one!
If the baker is morally opposed to making cakes, maybe he should find another line of work. No one forced him to be a baker. No one told him what to sell in his shop. All the law says is that if you offer a good or service then you can not discriminate based on race, religion, sexual orientation, nation of origin, ect. He chose to offer custom wedding cakes. He can not claim religious belief to violate the laws of the state he operates his business in.
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Old 12-05-2017, 05:15 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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He wasn't being asked to provide anything that he didn't offer. He offered wedding cakes, he can not discriminate based on who is purchasing the said cake. If he did not offer wedding cakes no one could force him to make one. Just like if he offered penis cakes he could not discriminate, but if he did not offer penis cakes no one could force him to make them.
I hope I never see a penis cake.
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Old 12-05-2017, 05:15 PM
 
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I'd bake cakes for gays all day long. In my experience they are excellent costumers and not afraid to spend $$$.
But thats me, the baker should be able to refuse anyone he wants and for any reason. He owns it and should be able to tell you to go #sand.
Forced association is wrong, period.
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Old 12-05-2017, 05:15 PM
 
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So the gays want everyone to respect their rights but don't give a damn about someone else's beliefs. Sounds like the typical liberal mindset to me.
It’s mainly the loud gay activist minority. Most gay people just want to get along and not make big issues. They just want to live their lives while minding their own business.
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Old 12-05-2017, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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So the gays want everyone to respect their rights but don't give a damn about someone else's beliefs. Sounds like the typical liberal mindset to me.
Even the baker dropped the religious belief part of his case, he is now going with freedom of speech and expression.

Maurice Bessinger had a belief about racial mixing, he still had to follow anti-discrimination laws.
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Old 12-05-2017, 05:17 PM
 
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I'd bake cakes for gays all day long. In my experience they are excellent costumers and not afraid to spend $$$.
But thats me, the baker should be able to refuse anyone he wants and for any reason. He owns it and should be able to tell you to go #sand.
Yep. Most gay people I’ve know are successful, friendly and fun. Of course, that tends to be gay men; lesbians seem to always be grumps.
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Old 12-05-2017, 05:18 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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If the baker is morally opposed to making cakes, maybe he should find another line of work. No one forced him to be a baker. No one told him what to sell in his shop. All the law says is that if you offer a good or service then you can not discriminate based on race, religion, sexual orientation, nation of origin, ect. He chose to offer custom wedding cakes. He can not claim religious belief to violate the laws of the state he operates his business in.
Totally agree.

If you don't want to serve the public - don't serve the public and find something else to do.

Maybe this baker is morally opposed to mixed-raced couples; he'll want to refuse them too. Oh, and Muslims; they are next on his list . . .
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Old 12-05-2017, 05:18 PM
 
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If the baker is morally opposed to making cakes, maybe he should find another line of work. No one forced him to be a baker. No one told him what to sell in his shop. All the law says is that if you offer a good or service then you can not discriminate based on race, religion, sexual orientation, nation of origin, ect. He chose to offer custom wedding cakes. He can not claim religious belief to violate the laws of the state he operates his business in.
I'll let the Gaystapo push us around when they take our liberty from our cold dead hands!

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