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Old 12-05-2017, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Originally Posted by MongooseHugger View Post
I honestly say, if they rule against the baker, I hope the ensuing backlash makes Ferguson look like a fist fight at a soccer game! Cuz I've had ENOUGH of the Left and their tyranny!
There will be little backlash, at most just a few isolated instances. When same sex marriage was made legal, did the governor of Arkansas or Alabama block entry to the courthouse door to stop a gay couple from getting a marriage license? NO!
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:04 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Then he is still in violation of the state law that says a business can not discriminate in the sales of goods or services based on sexual orientation.
Therein lies the reason the baker prevails. Constitutional Rights supercede state and local laws: US Constitution's Supremacy Clause.

In addition, LGBT is not a federally protected class under the US Civil Rights Act.
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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It should have nothing to do with religion and everything to do with freedom.
So business owners should have the freedom to discriminate against you, too, huh?
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Texas
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In addition, LGBT is not a federally protected class under the US Civil Rights Act.
This doesn’t matter at all. But keep on thinking you know what you’re talking about.

If they were a federally protected class and the Supreme Court found this law (or the federal law) violated the baker’s right to speech or expression, it would be unconstitutional just the same. It would be no more or less likely to be constitutional because it is irrelevant.
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:09 PM
 
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I don't think I would want a cake that I had to force someone to make.
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Therein lies the reason the baker prevails. Constitutional Rights supercede state and local laws: US Constitution's Supremacy Clause.

In addition, LGBT is not a federally protected class under the US Civil Rights Act.
And yet Scalia wrote the majority opinion in a case of religious freedom vs a state law. He said that religious belief does not trump generally applicable state laws.
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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It should have nothing to do with religion and everything to do with freedom.
Freedom to discriminate against everybody and their dog, huh, for whatever reason, whether Godly, Biblical, or not.
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:16 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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"Can a man excuse his practices to the contrary because of his religious belief? To permit this would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself"

A Scalia.
Colorado state law is superceded by Constitutional Rights and/or federal law via the US Constitution's Supremacy Clause. There are no anti-discrimination protections for LGBT under federal law, hence, no "law of the land." Therefore, a state law cannot violate the baker's First Amendment Rights.
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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I think this is right. You shouldn't force businesses to serve customers that they don't want to serve; the reasons are immaterial.
Exactly! A business should be free to choose their customers for any reason they want or for no reason at all.
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Colorado state law is superceded by Constitutional Rights and/or federal law via the US Constitution's Supremacy Clause. There are no anti-discrimination protections for LGBT under federal law, hence, no "law of the land." Therefore, a state law cannot violate the baker's First Amendment Rights.
Then why did Scalia rule that the Oregon state law can be held above religious belief? Peyote users were not a federally protected class, yet he ruled that the states laws could in fact ban people who were fired for peyote use from collecting unemployment payments.

Seems that uber conservative Scalia disagreed with your belief.
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