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Old 12-21-2017, 05:18 PM
 
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It doesn't matter what you call it, whether a law, treaty, contract, or whatever. If you signed it, you are morally, legally and properly obligated to adhere to it, unless both sides agree to renegotiate it.
Nope.

Treaties absolutely can't take away rights spelled out in the US Constitution. In this case Article I, Section 8 Clause 1. The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes ...

High school civics.

Of course the EU "ministers", many of them card carrying communists in past lives, don't believe in Constitutional rights of the people.
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Old 12-21-2017, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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The Supremacy Clause of the Constitution states:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."
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Old 12-21-2017, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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So yes, treaties are laws. The Constitution says so.
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Old 12-21-2017, 05:23 PM
 
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The Supremacy Clause of the Constitution states:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."
Did you miss the Supremacy part?

A treaty can't be created that usurps rights of Congress & the people as spelled out in the US Constitution.

Furthermore the USA is perfectly free to withdraw from any Treaty at any time. The Supremacy Clause guarantees it.

Maybe they don't teach High School Civics anymore.
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Old 12-21-2017, 05:24 PM
 
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There is nothing in any treaty with the EU that usurps the rights of congress or the people.
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Old 12-21-2017, 05:27 PM
 
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There is nothing in any treaty with the EU that usurps the rights of congress or the people.
Please name any treaty that prevents the Congress from cutting domestic taxes in support of the American worker & business.

I thought so.

You have no argument.
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Old 12-21-2017, 05:29 PM
 
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So yes, treaties are laws. The Constitution says so.
LOL!

The US Constitution does not contain a single law. It is a document of rights.
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Old 12-21-2017, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Please name any treaty that prevents the Congress from cutting domestic taxes in support of the American worker & business.
I noticed you cannot tell me what is in any treaty with the EU that usurps the rights of congress or the people, so you had to reply with a complete non sequitur. Sad!
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Old 12-21-2017, 05:34 PM
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Then that's on you. The article was written by Deutsche Welle, the German Public News Agency. And that has been posted 7 times in this document from other Trump haters.

It makes the rest of your post moot.
Then may I suggest you post the Deutsche Welle article instead, especially when LOTS of people on here consider InfoWars a waste of bandwidth - not just me but many conservatives as well?

Or if you prefer to post conservative links instead, how about the Wall Street Journal or The Hill. They're not know for being way-out right and certainly not conspiracy sites. I may disagree with a lot of what they say anyway, but at least I can have considerable confidence that their basic facts are credible - even if I may not agree with their interpretation of those facts.

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LOL!

The US Constitution does not contain a single law. It is a document of rights.
Am I to take this to mean that laws preventing people and companies from ripping off others is unconstitutional - as in denying the cons their own right to (in this case) "liberty" (to exploit others through unethical means) and "the pursuit of happiness" (ditto)? If not, then how can you defend any law not explicitly stated, or even implied, in the Constitution?
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Old 12-21-2017, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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LOL!

The US Constitution does not contain a single law. It is a document of rights.
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The Supremacy Clause of the Constitution states:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."
Not only does the Constitution itself explicitly say itself is the supreme law of the land, it also says any treaties made are the supreme law of the land.
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