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Old 01-01-2018, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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It was a very good year.
Yeah especially if you are rich. If you look for the subsidies for healthcare, you might have issues when rates rise even more
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Old 01-01-2018, 09:09 PM
 
Location: So California
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Yeah especially if you are rich. If you look for the subsidies for healthcare, you might have issues when rates rise even more
Middle class and small business owners too. Rate increases have been insane the last five years
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Old 01-01-2018, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Which one is a lie?
Pretty much all of it. A lot of rampant speculation and using the cop out "there is no money for it". FAIL
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Old 01-01-2018, 09:28 PM
 
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Don't panic OP. Trump has 7 more years to deliver on the rest of his promises.

He's off to a good start really:

Yuge tax cut for the middle class. 20% or more for most of us.

No more Obamacare penalty, er tax, if you don't have a government blessed insurance policy.

70% reduction in criminal aliens entering this country

No more immigration from countries that are the primary supporters of terrorism

Support for our law enforcement officers

The stock market. From the peak of the Bush era to the peak under Obama, the Dow was only up about 4,000 points (14k to 18k roughly). In just the first 11 months in office it has gone up over 6,000 under Trump.

Unemployment down to the lowest level in more than a decade.



Not bad for less than a year.
This will only last a few years for us then expire, while tax cuts for the rich and corporations are permanent. And many won't even see the 20%. We are given morsels while the rich are the real benefactors of this new tax plan. Why are you so happy that the middle class is getting screwed while the rich benefits.
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Old 01-01-2018, 09:57 PM
 
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I've listed and consolidated below. Feel free to read the article for more and other details

https://www.salon.com/2018/01/01/new...oters_partner/

"1. He told you he’d cut your taxes, and that the super-rich like him would pay more. You bought it. But his new tax law does the opposite. By 2027, according several nonpartisan analyses, the richest 1 percent will have got 83 percent of the tax cut and the richest 0.1 percent, 60 percent of it. As Trump told his wealthy friends at Mar-a-Lago just days after the tax bill became law, “You all just got a lot richer.”

2. He promised to close “special interest loopholes that have been so good for Wall Street investors but unfair to American workers,” especially the notorious “carried interest” loophole for private-equity, hedge fund, and real estate partners. You bought it. But the new tax law keeps the “carried interest” loophole.
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you appear to be completely correct... of course i could be wrong as you have 19 points...

but i will give trump a couple of wins.

1 Trump has pandered to the extreme right and stuffed courts with lunatics. Of course this will backfire, but he promised it and with mitch doing an excellent job for his party (i disagree with mitch but he is good at what he does ) of course any POTUS with the senate can do the same thing, they just have never abused the system like mitch does Also worth noting, ignorant trumpers give mitch a hard time yet MITCH is the machine that has done this, trump has just used the supplied lists....

2 Trump is tackling H1B visa abuse. He is not doing it the way i would like but he is at least doing it, with is more than we can say for Obama. To be clear so far it is just talk but it is progressing.

3 has reduced illegal and legal immigration , so course this means we are losing some of the best hires on the planet, but it would seem most of his supporters are pleased anyway. Me i hate seeing us losing such important people and i hate knowing they are going to our competitors instead.. but what can you do.

mostly though Trump has done nothing for the people who voted for him, but they are happy just to feel like they won something and that was the whole point. some venting is required after 30 years of declining employment standards and the ever widening wealth gap. At least this way the proles will think they got something, meanwhile they just lost the foot in the door they had on some security ...


ref the lest paragraph anyone thinking i am full of it should read the Powell memo...

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Old 01-01-2018, 10:14 PM
 
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no, you are acting like a petulant, impatient child. Your long, seething post failed to do 1 thing. You forgot to put when our President stated the EXACT DATE he would get all of this done. I mean he is barely a year into his Presidency, and you apparently demand he finish every promise instantly. Unlike Obozo, who said he would close Gitmo ON DAY 1 OF HIS PRESIDENCY..and yet, here it is, 9 years later and its still open. I am sure you posted a lengthy hit piece on him because of that...right?
don't pretend you don't know Trump promised a lot of that stuff from one day. instead trump has done more golfing in his first year than any POTUS in modern history...

and that is a fact. Your beloved billionaire is mostly golfing, has no understanding of law or policies he is signing and has almost completely betrayed you. Unless of course you are very well off. i am, and yet still he betrayed me too. Trump is literally giving trillions to the top 1 percent in reduced taxes. Those dollars are badly needed to fund our nation. instead we as tax paying citizens will be subsidizing corps and billionaires... sad really, we don't have the robust education system we need, nor the security of employment, healthcare, education that the people deserve to have. average kid in the british isles has a better chance than average kid in the US..... we are wasting our primary resource
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Old 01-01-2018, 10:17 PM
 
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The Democrats are on a very peculiar line... they can either join or obstruct... but they provided a lot of obstruction rhetoric which makes it difficult to join but that won’t earn them votes.... if they join, then that would put off a small segment of their base (anti-Trumpers will still vote for them, they are what they are)...the Democrats shouldn’t of pulled off such heavy propaganda, they have alienated themselves even more...
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Old 01-01-2018, 10:24 PM
 
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The Democrats are on a very peculiar line... they can either join or obstruct... but they provided a lot of obstruction rhetoric which makes it difficult to join but that won’t earn them votes.... if they join, then that would put off a small segment of their base (anti-Trumpers will still vote for them, they are what they are)...the Democrats shouldn’t of pulled off such heavy propaganda, they have alienated themselves even more...
Republicans control everything so democrats aren't even needed. It was some republicans who have been the obstructionists.
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Old 01-01-2018, 10:34 PM
 
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The Democrats are on a very peculiar line... they can either join or obstruct... but they provided a lot of obstruction rhetoric which makes it difficult to join but that won’t earn them votes.... if they join, then that would put off a small segment of their base (anti-Trumpers will still vote for them, they are what they are)...the Democrats shouldn’t of pulled off such heavy propaganda, they have alienated themselves even more...
you are simply exposing just how little you understand the public sentiment.

Dems who are collaborators are likely to get challenged. Dems don't want the party to buckle to Trump's bullying. Dems will not be forced to assist Trump and Ryan defund federal programs . DACA simply needs TRUMP to renew or gop to make it law.

Trump broke it, Trump can fix it.
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Old 01-01-2018, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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This will only last a few years for us then expire, while tax cuts for the rich and corporations are permanent. And many won't even see the 20%. We are given morsels while the rich are the real benefactors of this new tax plan. Why are you so happy that the middle class is getting screwed while the rich benefits.
They can be extended. Likely with a Republican president and unlikely with a Democratic one.

About 80% will get a tax cuts and it's not a "tax cut" for the rich; the middle class will benefit, too.
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