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Old 01-20-2018, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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They are not criminals. They are contributing members of society. You really need to do your research.
When people break the law by entering illegally, it automatically makes them criminals.
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:37 PM
 
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For every legal immigrant that comes into this country, there is potentially they would take that job from an American. Are we not a society for free market?

Most illegals are here to channel money back to their native country were a cost of living is lower and they are willing to work for cheap.. thus depressing wages. That I agree.

The difference is that DACA are educated here, their family is here, they have little connection to their native country. They are really no different from a 1st generation American born child of legal immigrants. 17% are US college educated.... they wouldn't be the ones accepting low wage labor jobs.

I agree we should do something about the illegal immigrants but I also believe that DACA needs special consideration.

If that's so then we shouldn't allow in any legal immigrants either unless we can provide them with a job that an American can't or won't fill. I'm good with that. Free market doesn't mean it's ok to stab the American worker in the back.


Let these DACAs take the education we provided them and go back to their homelands with their families here illegally also and help them instead. Don't give me that BS that they have no connection to their homeland. They learn the culture and language from their parents. People often move all over the world and adapt. Yes, they are different than an American child born from legal parents. The DACAs were born to parents here illegally. It doesn't matter what kind of jobs they are taking. They are removing those opportunities for Americans. Again, read those links I provided you with about the truth about the DACAs.


No, no more amnesties and no special considerations for them just because their parents managed to sneak them over our border illegally. The long term and short term ramifications of doing so is harmful to our own citizens.
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:37 PM
 
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When people break the law by entering illegally, it automatically makes them criminals.
*Sigh*
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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They don't care that Trump hires illegal workers it's okay if Trump does it.
Cite the posts that state this, because I'm pretty sick of reading this and I'm no Trump fan.
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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*Sigh*
Translation: I got nothin'.

I know, I know...you want me to call them Dreamers. I get it.
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:39 PM
 
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I just gave you specifics! I told you about the construction industry just for one example. Americans used to do those jobs for nearly double of what these greedy employers are paying illegal aliens and many pay them cash to avoid taxes. That reduces wages for Americans. I do blame the companies but the illegal aliens are just as guilty of breaking the law as they are because they have no right to work here and no one forced them over the border illegally either.


Utter BS! Most American don't refuse a low paying job if that's the actual going and fair rate. Our less skilled and less educated don't nor do our American youth. You don't seem to understand this issue at all or your agenda to defend illegal aliens blinds you to the truth. What about the rule of law does that mean nothing to you? If not and you're a citizen of this country your attitude makes me ill.
Exactly, thank you. Don't blame the people, blame the employers. And I don't think you want to use construction workers as an example. Most construction workers are union members. They get great pay and great benefits.
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Homeless
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Cite the posts that state this, because I'm pretty sick of reading this and I'm no Trump fan.




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Post 82
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Florida
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DACA= Democrats Against Citizens of America.
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Thanks, Reed, but I'm not reading through a 9 page thread. Can you post the link to all the specific posts that say that people who are against hiring illegals think it's okay when Trump does it?

I see you've added post 82. BRB.
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:43 PM
 
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Fail. I didn't say the majority of our citizens are losers.

What I said that there are losers here that are a burden to us that I'd rather see removed before a DACA recipient (educated, employable, loyal, hard working).

Citizenship status doesn't change that they are losers.

That's what I was trying to point out to you, geez! Since the majority of our citizens aren't losers then why even bring up the losers at all? Why would you use them for a comparison to the DACAs? We can't deport our own losers so why even talk about removing them? I never said that their citizenship means that can't be losers either. You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. You are trying to make a case for the DACAs based on the losers in our society? Now there's a true failure!
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