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So one of NRA's talking points is that it's not the Gun that kills people, it's the people who have the gun and that we should be focusing on mental health. Gotcha...so let's talk specifics. I'd be interested to what NRA supports and how it would get implemented.
I think we can all agree that this kid is mentally unstable. The warning signs were all there. His mom called the cops of him..neighbors called the cops...i think it was 23 times in total over the years. He was reported to the school, reported to the FBI, etc. Again, the signs were there however he really never committed any crime. At what point does the NRA feel this kid should have been on a list or failed a background check? Should these events have triggered a mental health examination where the results get shared into a background check DB? Should there be a mental health exam when purchasing a gun?
Given NRA's history of fighting to allow people on the no-fly list to purchase guns or saying that people deemed mentally unfit by a court should still be allowed to buy guns, what exactly does NRA propose to do in this situation?
So one of NRA's talking points is that it's not the Gun that kills people, it's the people who have the gun and that we should be focusing on mental health. Gotcha...so let's talk specifics. I'd be interested to what NRA supports and how it would get implemented.
I think we can all agree that this kid is mentally unstable. The warning signs were all there. His mom called the cops of him..neighbors called the cops...i think it was 23 times in total over the years. He was reported to the school, reported to the FBI, etc. Again, the signs were there however he really never committed any crime. At what point does the NRA feel this kid should have been on a list or failed a background check? Should these events have triggered a mental health examination where the results get shared into a background check DB? Should there be a mental health exam when purchasing a gun?
Given NRA's history of fighting to allow people on the no-fly list to purchase guns or saying that people deemed mentally unfit by a court should still be allowed to buy guns, what exactly does NRA propose to do in this situation?
The thing with the no fly list, is you can be placed on it for being intoxicated on a flight. My cousin was placed on the no fly list for being drunk...
Now if no fly list was limited to credible threats, then I wouldn't have an issue with it neither would the NRA.
I am of the opinion, that if you are a credible threat, have substantial evidence of being a menace, then you should be reported to NICS...
So one of NRA's talking points is that it's not the Gun that kills people, it's the people who have the gun and that we should be focusing on mental health. Gotcha...so let's talk specifics. I'd be interested to what NRA supports and how it would get implemented.
I think we can all agree that this kid is mentally unstable. The warning signs were all there. His mom called the cops of him..neighbors called the cops...i think it was 23 times in total over the years. He was reported to the school, reported to the FBI, etc. Again, the signs were there however he really never committed any crime. At what point does the NRA feel this kid should have been on a list or failed a background check? Should these events have triggered a mental health examination where the results get shared into a background check DB? Should there be a mental health exam when purchasing a gun?
Given NRA's history of fighting to allow people on the no-fly list to purchase guns or saying that people deemed mentally unfit by a court should still be allowed to buy guns, what exactly does NRA propose to do in this situation?
well where to start?
1. the NRA has been for EXPANDED background checks
2. the NRA is for mental health being part of the 'red flags' of a background check..... but....
.... in order for that it needs to be DOCUMENTED...something the liberals and the ACLU is against
.... liberals argue against adding the mental part of the background checks....they spin that it will be a violation of HIPAA
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it doesn't have to affect hipaa at all.... you go for a gun... instant 5 minute background check happens...comes back as code 99(or what ever)...."sorry sir, I can not sell this to you at this time, please check with the NSA you got this code (I don't know what the codes mean) you case number is this, please straighten out the issue before you return"
make it easy.. to include private sales
1. make it easy and no-cost to call/internet a background check...
2. make it generic to where no personal/private info is given to those that have no need to know... ie.rusults are: background good, go ahead with sale...or red flag code 1234, no sale today, have prospective buyer call 555-555-5555 to straighten out situation before sale.
simple yes?
but noooo, liberals have to complain that it would be a violation of hipaa
3. as to the 'no fly list'.... please remember the 'no-fly-list' is different from the 'terrorist watch list'... Ted kennedy, and others, too include the woman with noisy kids have made the 'no-fly-list'.... so attaching it to a 'no-fly-list', when those people have NOT been vetted as dangerous or possible terrorists is a violation of those peoples rights....until we properly vet these 'lists' it does not make sense to sit there and violate someones rights.....to include the 4th amendment rights
98 thousand listed as '''possible''' terrorist ties (terrorist watch list)......NONE convicted.......so are we to violate the 4th amendment too
so again
most conservatives and EVEN THE NRA have zero problems with background checks....easier background checks.....heck with today's technology a COMPLETE background check could be done in MINUTES,...too include medical (and a 'red flag' will NOT violate hipaa laws either)
Better medical documentation and referrals.....if some one has a mental issue..document it for jiminy crickets sake..... young adults like adam lanza or this cruz dude should have been committed to an institution long ago...and had the doctors and his mother actually seeked help for the boy, he would have
most conservatives and EVEN THE NRA have zero problems with......more education, more training.......require some classes.....heck most of us, who LEGALLY own handguns have taken the CC class....and the standard could set set federally, but the states have control of how they do it, to accomplish the mission
better communication between all of our alphabet/federal/state/city/local agencies.....that would help too, and not only about purchasing weapons, but all other things too such as missing child support, revoked licenses, voting registration, Lautenberg rules, medical mistakes(would it be nice if doctor A knew that doctor B prescribed this, so he/she can NOT prescribe something that will counteract/bad side effect medicine(to include RX(A) knowing that RX(B) filled dis,dat or the other ding, etc)))
over 50% of the homeless are Vets, and over 85% of the homeless are homeless because of mental health issues... yet the liberals NEVER address it
WHAT ARE THE LIBERALS GOING TO DO/POLICY/FUND TO HELP WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH ISSSUES THAT ARE PLAGUING AMERICA......?????????
but to ban guns and to confiscate all weapons would not only be a violation of our 2nd amendment right...but also of the 4th amendment.......... the funny thing is liberals were all up in arms (pun intended) about "stop and frisk" saying it violated the 4th
The thing with the no fly list, is you can be placed on it for being intoxicated on a flight. My cousin was placed on the no fly list for being drunk...
Now if no fly list was limited to credible threats, then I wouldn't have an issue with it neither would the NRA.
I am of the opinion, that if you are a credible threat, have substantial evidence of being a menace, then you should be reported to NICS...
My brother was puton the no-fly list once for no reason at all. He didn't breal the law or anything. Not saying the database is commonly wrong, just it happens every once in a while. As for being drunk on an airline, it depends how drunk someone is. If they start being a problem other than being sick, then I can fully understand them on the No Fly List.
Stopped by a new gun shop in my area. There was a group of men and a woman shopping so I start up a conversation with the one of the men behind the counter about a possible ban of the AR-15.
Within minutes everyone in the store is giving their 2 cents worth but the gist of it is that not one of them would give any of their guns.
Most of the customers either former military and as one retired Vet mentioned it: he wasn't giving his gun without a fight.
We can't go back now and I support the 2nd Amendment, But it's kind of hard to argue that guns are the reason this mass shootings of schools and churches is almost exclusive to the US where guns are so prominent.. Unless you are prepared to argue that mental illness is exclusive to the US as well..
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So what's NRA's proposal to mental health?
