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Old 02-26-2018, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Let Africa deal with Africa. Not our fight and not our business. WE have our military in far too many conflicts already. It sucks for the South Africans, but it really is self inflicted.
Talk to whoever comes out on top.
I largely agree with this. However, like most of Africa, whoever comes out on top are the corrupt Warlords, who horde any foreign aid for themselves, get rich, and the people suffer.

 
Old 02-26-2018, 01:06 PM
 
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I largely agree with this. However, like most of Africa, whoever comes out on top are the corrupt Warlords, who horde any foreign aid for themselves, get rich, and the people suffer.
Then don’t give them the aid in the first place.

BTW...when did we as Americans start distrusting warlords all of a sudden? We’ve certainly installed quite a few in power when it suited us.
 
Old 02-26-2018, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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South Africa isn’t having a genocide. First of all their are neighborhoods in Cape Town that currently have higher murder rates than white South African farmers. Second of all only 60% of victims of farm attacks are white. Lastly farmer is not an ethnicity. Also these numbers are based on counting less than 50,000 people as Farmers. Their are millions of whites in South Africa. A high death rate among a certain position that is disproportionately occupied by one race is not genocide. Butler didn’t only kill Jewish Bankers or something, he killed all Jews. Hutus killed all Tutus not by a type of job.
https://africacheck.org/factsheets/f...ks-murders-sa/

Their were 70 murders of farmers in 2016 not only is this less than half from the 1997 peak of roughly 170, it is also just 70 murders. Even if you add all of the murders up their is still in the 2,000-3,000 deaths in a thirty year period. If that is the genocide that is one of the smallest if not the smallest in the world. If you are aruging their racially motivated, then yes. But to pretend like it’s genocide you could by that same notion you could call apartheid genocide against blacks in terms of deaths.
 
Old 02-26-2018, 03:19 PM
 
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Rhodesia DID NOT feed Africa. At best, it fed Rhodesia and they exported the rest.



The whole “breadbasket” narrative is nonsense conjured up by disenfranchised white settlers after land reform was instituted. Yeah, Rhodesia was most certainly a very successful agricultural nation and important to Southern Africa, but that’s about it. The region was never dependent upon Rhodesia to eat.
Ok, Rhodesia fed itself, Zimbabwe starves.
 
Old 02-26-2018, 03:31 PM
 
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Let Africa deal with Africa. Not our fight and not our business. WE have our military in far too many conflicts already. It sucks for the South Africans, but it really is self inflicted.
Talk to whoever comes out on top.
True it shouldn't have been our business but globalists and Bill Clinton help create the mess by pressuring SA to end apartheid and transfer power over to the ANC. America is always meddling in other countries and usually on the wrong side pushing the wrong agenda. Then we allow lots of immigration from Africa and else where, just not many white immigrants.
 
Old 02-26-2018, 03:32 PM
 
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Find a post where I spoke out on the travel ban. In any case, the United States destabilized the Middle East and help create the refugee crisis. So at least an argument can be made as to our culpability in that region. We had nothing to do with the situation that South African Boers fine themselves in at present.

Anyway, these people are just as impossible to vet. Many of them committed terrible crimes against the black population during Apartheid.

It would be like in inviting Germans to immigrate to this country in 1945. No way.
Not true, America and the globalist had a lot to do with it. And we did have Germans immigrate in 1945 through 1960s. They were some of our best and most productive citizen unlike many of the other meddling Europeans further east that immigrated.
 
Old 02-26-2018, 03:49 PM
 
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Black racists are happy with white genocide until there's no longer any food to eat.

Same thing happened in Zimbabwe. Can't live in an advanced society and get rid of all the people with the skills, knowledge and aptitude to progress and sustain such livelihood.
 
Old 02-26-2018, 04:09 PM
 
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Not true, America and the globalist had a lot to do with it. And we did have Germans immigrate in 1945 through 1960s. They were some of our best and most productive citizen unlike many of the other meddling Europeans further east that immigrated.
Our official policy was definitely not Nazi friendly.

As to South Africa...this is simple. If they’d agreed to share power early on instead of being dead Enders for Apartheid, they wouldn’t be in this position. That’s why I feel nothing for them.

But whatever. I just don’t want the Boers coming here.
 
Old 02-26-2018, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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All the people of South Africa are badly served by the ANC, but solutions are hard to find. Cleaning up the corruption in the ANC won't have much effect on the non-white uneployment rate and the unsustainable nature of the ZA economy. Efforts at market-based policies for land reform have largely failed, while a radical land reform policy would ruin the economy.

You tell me how to fix things.
 
Old 02-26-2018, 04:29 PM
 
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Didn't it work out better than the current situation though? What I'm advocating isn't apartheid but full independence and separation for those whites interested. The ones who are not can stay in black SA.
I don't advocate for separation, but for your suggestion, relocating the white minority to the township of Soweto might work.
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