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That's why I say Trump is the worst, even among Republicans. Trump is setting the worst environmental policy in my lifetime and as we have seen, Republicans never oppose Trump, so this is happening and will only get worse.
Again, is just a talking point. Conservatives are more likely to still be anti-abortion than liberals, but does that mean they really give a **** about it?
Please just try to be honest as much as possible. Hell I could even care less about claim as ridiculous as “Liberal men are actually more manly”, so as long you can provide some sources.
I already provided a source to the organic values point.
Also, aren’t foods more processed in urban areas? Where as you know conservatives grow their own food.
Again, is just a talking point. Conservatives are more likely to still be anti-abortion than liberals, but does that mean they really give a **** about it?
Please just try to be honest as much as possible. Hell I could even care less about claim as ridiculous as “Liberal men are actually more manly”, so as long you can provide some sources.
I already provided a source to the organic values point.
Also, aren’t foods more processed in urban areas? Where as you know conservatives grow their own food.
A link has been provided previously.
A Running List of How Trump Is Changing the Environment
The Trump administration has promised vast changes to U.S. science and environmental policy—and we’re tracking them here as they happen.
Most ironically, the EPA was founded under president Richard Nixon, a Republican. A real paradox .
One of the best things he ever did.
I used to think the same because that was the basic talking point. He did sign it.
However, he created it due to vast pressure from the Congress and Public - Congress was Democratically controlled and the votes were there even in the GOP.. As you know, Congress really rules the country, especially when both parties are in agreement.
Introduced by Democrat Henry M Jackson.
"(due to) environmental interest group efforts and the growing public awareness resulting from Rachel Carson's 1962 book, Silent Spring, led to support for the 1964 Wilderness Act and subsequent legislation (including the 1970 Clean Air Act and 1972 Clean Water Act). The public outrage in reaction to the Santa Barbara oil spill in early 1969 occurred just as the NEPA legislation was being drafted in Congress."
Nixon, a madman and crook, was THAT much better than Trump for signing it. However, he and big business thought (and maybe hoped) that it was a passing fad. They made the mistake of appointing a guy to head it who took it REAL seriously, and that was that.
It was a time in history where it was quite obvious - didn't come out of nowhere, but was preceded by the Clean Water Act (1964) and other similar legislation. These were the result of "community organizers" and "activists" and "protesters". We can all rest assured that big business didn't push for it. The EPA was somewhat the combining of all of these acts under an institution.
It's sorta quaint to remember an America where the formation of the EPA and Clean Water and Air acts got virtually ALL the votes of both parties in Congress. It shows how far right we have veered...that you would likely get few, if any, GOP votes for such things today. In fact, they would vote (and do) for rolling all the advances back.
A Running List of How Trump Is Changing the Environment
The Trump administration has promised vast changes to U.S. science and environmental policy—and we’re tracking them here as they happen.
This isn't even a subject worthy of debate. Just a few years back the rallying cry of the right was "don't force us to use anything other than 100 watt light bulbs". Only conservatives could think up such anti-environmental stuff. When I heard that BS repeated over and over again I thought it was fiction...but, no, it was evidence of lack of education on the subject and "we will do the opposite of what is right and stick it in your face".
When I first thought of this question, I was thinking over the long term of history and not just today. But when you think of the environmental stewardship of Republican leadership a few decades back and compare it to today, it's actually pretty sad. President Nixon established the EPA and he actually had a significant leadership role in advocating for much of the legislation that kept companies from being able to just dump whatever they wanted to in our air and water. And I know exactly the defiance you're talking about today, as a large group has been brainwashed to think that "ALL environmental laws=Socialist Leftists- BAD" "Get rid of rules/regulations= Patriots, GOOD." I think that kind of thinking also represents the worst aspects of some of the people who think this way, only thinking of themselves and not future generations.
Also, aren’t foods more processed in urban areas? Where as you know conservatives grow their own food.
You're kidding, right?
The USA is a highly industrialized society - late stage, if anything. I have lived in deep dark WV and TN and my sister lives in the heart of cattle country in upper mid-Florida...and, believe me, most all food is store bought.
The exception is usually that they use a lot of lard. That might be local. Seriously, tho, chickens are popular everywhere these days, even in suburbia. I am sitting right now in urban Gulf Coast Florida and we have produce galore from farms within 10 miles of here (Plant City is one of the largest tomato and strawberry producers around). Hydroponic farms grow amazing greens in a small space nearby - we buy it at the farmers market from the growers.
But we also, like conservatives, buy stuff from all over the world at the various groceries...trader joes is one of our favs.
When I lived in the boonies the Piggy Wiggly was where people got their food - and largely from food stamps. There was almost nothing we could eat in that supermarket (we like fresh and good food)...
Most farms in "flyover country" are industrialized and grow one or two crops - usually corn or soybeans or wheat. Cattle is a vast industry and you probably don't want to visit the places your beef comes from (unless you live near a grass-fed lot that cares about their cows and is not big agri-biz).
And I know exactly the defiance you're talking about today, as a large group has been brainwashed to think that "ALL environmental laws=Socialist Leftists- BAD" "Get rid of rules/regulations= Patriots, GOOD." I think that kind of thinking also represents the worst aspects of some of the people who think this way, only thinking of themselves and not future generations.
It's like we used to play as kids "backwards or opposite day" where we walked backwards and tried to even talk backwards. We did it because it was the opposite of what is right.
The same can be said for much of the modern right - they take what is right and do the exact opposite, because it's so evident and normal to "do right", they would rather be "backwards day" and do it wrong.
Certainly it's a big country and no one thought process belongs to any group...but we are discussing it in the context of what voters of both parties agree with and what they support. In that case it's very clear - the GOP is anti-environment and in fact, anti-future. It's all about what we can get now for us (tax cut from debt and deficit is a prime example, but so is rolling back of clean air and water regs, etc.)...
Independently of all the harm being done - we can be sure the current admin isn't even enforcing existing laws...why the heck would they when they are bought and paid for by big biz?
Hey, if we want to remember other quaint times even GW Bush worked with the car companies and finalized the new MPG regs for the coming years.
That's the right way to do things. The car companies were actually on board with it all because they KNOW the future belongs to the efficient and clean. They want to sell all over the world and unless they are clean and efficient they can't.
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