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Federal law says you cant discriminate based on sexual orientation, it doesn't matter if you personally think its perverted or if you read that it was in your favorite religious allegorical book.
If you ask me yay or nay sure, the chaplain should do his job how is this any difference than conscientious objectors. I do see some middle ground I do think this more a transitional period but the army should perhaps break up the MOS in two designations one of them being people with religious objections to gay marriage and the other people who dont, then keep the proper ratio.
What law says that and to who?
People discriminate all the time. You sure can discriminate. I don't think the military can complain if they hire someone to perform an expressly religious function. If they don't want this kind of scenario hire a MFT instead.
No Catholic Chaplin has ever been disciplined for refusing to hold Islamic prayer.
No Islamic Chaplin has ever been disciplined for refusing to read from the Torah.
See how that works?
So every unit has an islamic chaplain attached to it? Every unit has a wiccan chaplain attached to it?
Now I haven't been in the military myself (married an airman and went with him to Japan though), but I'm pretty sure that is not the case.
I found an article written by an actual military chaplain. He has this to say -
"Chaplains exist, in other words, for the sake of the troops, not for themselves or for their denominations. They serve all members of the military and their dependents, not just members of their own faith group.
I served as a Catholic chaplain but took care of everyone of any faith, little faith and no faith. The motto of the chaplaincy is “Perform or provide.” On those rare times when I could not, for whatever reason, take care of the person, I referred them (usually by walking them down the hall) to someone who could take care of them. I never said “no” and left them adrift; it was my duty to make sure that they had what they needed. As a Catholic, I can’t perform same-sex marriage; so I would find a chaplain who could do that. What I think of same-sex marriage does not matter: They have a right to religious support when legal." https://www.stripes.com/military-cha...roops-1.181072
Note that the chaplain being disciplined was NOT ASKED to perform a religious ceremony. He was asked to include a lesbian spouse in a non-denominational marriage workshop. It was simply none of his business whether she was legally married to a man or a woman.
So every unit has an islamic chaplain attached to it? Every unit has a wiccan chaplain attached to it?
Now I haven't been in the military myself (married an airman and went with him to Japan though), but I'm pretty sure that is not the case.
I found an article written by an actual military chaplain. He has this to say -
"Chaplains exist, in other words, for the sake of the troops, not for themselves or for their denominations. They serve all members of the military and their dependents, not just members of their own faith group.
I served as a Catholic chaplain but took care of everyone of any faith, little faith and no faith. The motto of the chaplaincy is “Perform or provide.” On those rare times when I could not, for whatever reason, take care of the person, I referred them (usually by walking them down the hall) to someone who could take care of them. I never said “no” and left them adrift; it was my duty to make sure that they had what they needed. As a Catholic, I can’t perform same-sex marriage; so I would find a chaplain who could do that. What I think of same-sex marriage does not matter: They have a right to religious support when legal." https://www.stripes.com/military-cha...roops-1.181072
Note that the chaplain being disciplined was NOT ASKED to perform a religious ceremony.
He did exactly the same thing though. He followed what his church ordained (which in his case prohibits providing same-sex marriage counseling services) and arranged an alternative adviser for the lesbian couple.
He did exactly the same thing though. He followed what his church ordained (which in his case prohibits providing same-sex marriage counseling services) and arranged an alternative adviser for the lesbian couple.
Except that in doing so, he de facto excluded them from the Strong Bonds program - y'know, the program that's based on the entire unit's family members participating together.
He's not doing the job. Worse, he's not putting his unit first, and if you've ever worn green, you'll know that's the cardinal sin. Fire his rear.
So every unit has an islamic chaplain attached to it? Every unit has a wiccan chaplain attached to it?
Now I haven't been in the military myself (married an airman and went with him to Japan though), but I'm pretty sure that is not the case.
I found an article written by an actual military chaplain. He has this to say -
"Chaplains exist, in other words, for the sake of the troops, not for themselves or for their denominations. They serve all members of the military and their dependents, not just members of their own faith group.
I served as a Catholic chaplain but took care of everyone of any faith, little faith and no faith. The motto of the chaplaincy is “Perform or provide.” On those rare times when I could not, for whatever reason, take care of the person, I referred them (usually by walking them down the hall) to someone who could take care of them. I never said “no” and left them adrift; it was my duty to make sure that they had what they needed. As a Catholic, I can’t perform same-sex marriage; so I would find a chaplain who could do that. What I think of same-sex marriage does not matter: They have a right to religious support when legal." https://www.stripes.com/military-cha...roops-1.181072
Note that the chaplain being disciplined was NOT ASKED to perform a religious ceremony. He was asked to include a lesbian spouse in a non-denominational marriage workshop. It was simply none of his business whether she was legally married to a man or a woman.
Here is a passage from the same link, which is very telling:
One wonders what “religious liberty” means to these chaplains. The right to dictate what religious ceremonies others can conduct? The right to walk up to a gay Marine and tell him he’s going to hell?
The rights of a chaplain stop with his ministerial role — or, as my teacher said, “Your rights end where my nose begins.” These examples are outside the ministerial duties of preaching, teaching and religious counseling.
This cry of “religious liberty” is nothing but a red herring; no one is trying to dictate preaching or religious counseling. Nor will it happen to any chaplain. I would defend any one of them, but never someone who disrespects another brother or sister in military service. Respect is a core military value. Basic respect, certainly tolerance, is non-negotiable.
Separation of church and state as you mean it was invented by the Soviets, not the Founding Fathers. And I don't recognize the lawless Supreme Court's ruling as valid.
Well, that sounds like a personal problem to me.
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