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For thos who assume black people just let themselves get swept away into slavery...
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African Resistance
Introduction
Africans started to fight the transatlantic slave trade as soon as it began. Their struggles were multifaceted and covered four continents over four centuries. Still, they have often been underestimated, overlooked, or forgotten. African resistance was reported in European sources only when it concerned attacks on slave ships and company barracoons, but acts of resistance also took place far from the coast and thus escaped the slavers’ attention. To discover them, oral history, archaeology, and autobiographies and biographies of African victims of the slave trade have to be probed. Taken together, these various sources offer a detailed image of the varied strategies Africans used to defend themselves from and mount attacks against the slave trade.
Diouf, Sylviane A., ed. Fighting the Slave Trade: West African Strategies. Athens: Ohio University Press, 2003
Taylor, Eric Robert. If We Must Die: Shipboard Insurrections in the Era of the Atlantic Slave Trade. Baton Rouge: Louisiana State University Press, 2006.
I agree with Rocko. I read his post before I read the actual quote, and it makes a lot of sense. Kanye is a bit inarticulate (and crazy), but he’s not dumb.
Yup, when someone talks about slavery as a choice or mentions Jews and the holocaust, it’s very clearly what they mean.
Kanye West is no scholar, but it’s obvious what he was trying to say.
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Originally Posted by kajo13
For thos who assume black people just let themselves get swept away into slavery...]
I don’t see anyone arguing that. We were sold by our own kings, due to already being slaves from being on the losing side of a tribal war, plain and simple. Some were kidnapped but the vast majority were sold.
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According to John K. Thornton, Europeans usually bought enslaved people who were captured in endemic warfare between African states. Some Africans had made a business out of capturing Africans from neighboring ethnic groups or war captives and selling them. A reminder of this practice is documented in the Slave Trade Debates of England in the early 19th century: "All the old writers... concur in stating not only that wars are entered into for the sole purpose of making slaves, but that they are fomented by Europeans, with a view to that object.
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The practice of enslaving enemy combatants and their villages was widespread throughout Western and West Central Africa, although wars were rarely started to procure slaves. The slave trade was largely a by-product of tribal and state warfare as a way of removing potential dissidents after victory or financing future wars. However, some African groups proved particularly adept and brutal at the practice of enslaving, such as Oyo, Benin, Igala, Kaabu, Asanteman, Dahomey, the Aro Confederacy and the Imbangala war bands.
If Black people had had standing disciplined military regiments to repel slavers from the hypothetical African cities they should have had, then they wouldn't have been slaves.
Very rarely did foreign navies arrive to take slaves. Single ship or small fleet slavers either traded for slaves, from Africans themselves, or grabbed whatever people were too sociopolitically weak to effectively cooperate and defend themselves.
Although he might not have thought it through this far, Kanye's position essentially boils down to examining why Africans lacked the culture that would have enabled them to mount a military (or political) defense.
This is an extremely important concept for every tribe, even in the present day. Which is why Kanye feels that his quote is poignant. Examining historical slavery really isn't the point, but its useful in some respects. The point is to identify slave and non-slave culture, which are the same cultures today as they were then.
Being able to defend oneself from slavery is indicative of a non-slave culture. Not being able to do so, it is implied, is indicative of a slave culture. This cultural dichotomy still exists today when various groups are contrasted. The only thing that has changed form is the slavery itself.
Slavers (foreign political powers) will always want you to adopt slave culture. Your duty is to reject slave culture, or that which leads to sociopolitical dysfunction and thus an inability to internally cooperate to a politically meaningful level.
That type of cooperation absolutely begins with a strong nuclear family. Everything grows from there, politically speaking. Without it, no political power begins to grow in any meaningful sense. This is also something that Kanye may not have yet discovered. He merely seems to sense of overall game.
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No, not really. Africa still has slave markets. There are still people being sold as slaves to this very day. It may not be happening in the United States, but slavery is indeed still happening to the same people.
No, not really. Africa still has slave markets. There are still people being sold as slaves to this very day. It may not be happening in the United States, but slavery is indeed still happening to the same people.
Domestic slavery, agricultural slavery, sex slavery, etc
Right, I understand that. I was using the same context that the person I responded to was using. We don't have slaves in chains and working on plantations as an accepted and open practice. No one is getting whipped across their back for daring to do something like learning to read.
Yes, of course illegal aliens are exploited. It's why I continue to wonder why on earth the left would want to let that continue to happen with all of their crying about a wall and keeping illegal aliens out. Those people do take work from Americans who could do the work but get paid better and treated better, but they continue to advocate to allow illegals to come here and stay here without becoming citizens. What kind of sick people are these leftists?
And of course employers should be held accountable, as well. Let's start with the state of CA where a huge population of illegal aliens reside. Get rid of the "sanctuary" cities, for starters. It's not a sanctuary for anyone. Have the Dem politicians who run that state actually show that they care one whit about illegal aliens being treated fairly, because right now, they aren't in many cases. Go after those who "employ" illegal aliens, not have a mayor warn everyone that ICE is doing a raid, in advance.
As a kid, I lived near a lot of apple orchards, and illegals would always come up for the season to work in the orchards. The "houses" that they lived in were single dwelling huts, to be honest. They were white concrete looking structures, just a cube with a doorway cut out, and they shoved as many occupants in them as they could. Apparently that is "good" for illegal aliens, according to lefties.
But they are not "slaves" per say. They chose to come here. They paid someone to smuggle them here. We did not go to their country and take them, check their teeth like they are horses, and sell them to the highest bidder in an open market for all the townspeople to come to.
The others that you mentioned are slaves, as they are nabbed off the street or are forced into it against their will.
But for those who come here illegally, no one made them come here, so I don't view them as slaves. Mistreated and exploited? Yes, but not slaves.
Poor Kanye he is losing his mind.
When the other option is death, that hardly qualifies as a choice.
In that interview he also admitted to being addicted to opioids in 2016 hence the cancellation of his tour that year.
Poor Kanye he is losing his mind.
When the other option is death, that hardly qualifies as a choice.
In that interview he also admitted to being addicted to opioids in 2016 hence the cancellation of his tour that year.
that is a choice.....just like if we were invaded by the Nazis or Japanese Empire and forced to work in concentration camps. You fight and die or you accept it to save your skin and pretend everything will be ok.
Every War in history that was about conquering was a choice. Fight and defeat the enemy or bow down and let them be your masters.
Kanye West is one of the greatest what of all time?
He's one of the greatest producers of all time. But best needs meds or something because he's flying off the handle..
Gonna put on some Graduation.
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