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Old 05-03-2018, 01:47 PM
 
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These Democrat swindlers realized that the best way to enslave people is to deceive them into choosing to be slaves. They accomplish this by pretending to be trying to help them, and then blaming others for the disasters they create.

Democrats have been doing this for decades and only a few of the some of the people that can be fooled all the time have opened their eyes to how they have been misled.
Mission Accomplished?

 
Old 05-03-2018, 01:54 PM
 
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capitalism is considered a bad thing by democrats now?
Yes, since the 60s -- where have you been?
 
Old 05-03-2018, 02:22 PM
 
Location: crafton pa
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Don't care. If you don't like socialism, don't drive on public roads, drink water from the public pipes, use a public hospital, etc.

You guys sure are obsessed with Hillary lately. Creepy.
Paying taxes in order to provide various services that the public sector can perform better than the private sector or to perform services that are necessary but unprofitable is NOT socialism. Even most of the purest capitalist recognize the need for public works when the need is for something that would not be profitable for the private sector and/or could be better fulfilled by government. Socialism is the notion that the means of production should be controlled by society at large. Welfare payments and other social safety net-type programs are NOT socialism, contrary to what most right wingers would say. These are elements of social democracy, and their efficacy can certainly be debated, but they are not socialism.
 
Old 05-03-2018, 02:37 PM
 
Location: crafton pa
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What you are describing in your first sentence is not Socialism, it is Communism.
No it's socialism. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism


Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production,[SIZE=2][10][/SIZE] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[SIZE=2][11][/SIZE] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective or cooperative ownership, or to citizen ownership of equity.




Socialism indeed is the ownership of the means of production by society at large. Socialism would include collective or cooperative ownership of productive facilities independent of government. Communism generally is socialistic and refers to very specific theories regarding a socialist society. It is actually a specific type of socialism.


What generally is meant by "socialism" by most people in Western nations is actually social democracy. This is the type of government practiced (to greater or lesser degrees) by just about all Western nations, including the US. This is characterized by a mixed economy that has predominately private ownership of productive facilities, but in which the government participates in a significant way forming a mixed economy. This government intervention takes the form of rules and regulations that govern various industries and redistributive policies that form a social safety net for its citizens. The most effective means and degrees of intervention are certainly up for debate, and different societies have certainly arrived at different answers to that question. Nobody would argue that the US and Sweden, for instance, are comparable in terms of the degree of government participation in the economy, but both have social democracies. The US certainly leans toward less intervention and less of a social safety net, but it's not possible to argue that the US doesn't have a mixed economy.
 
Old 05-03-2018, 02:45 PM
 
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Old 05-03-2018, 03:14 PM
 
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Have you ever been to one of these "lovely" counties, especially for an extended period of time? If you have and you like socialism why did you come back to the U.S.?
To better benefit from it's Socialist programs?
 
Old 05-03-2018, 03:18 PM
 
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To better benefit from it's Socialist programs?
You didn't answer my questions... I'll ask again...

Have you ever been to one of these "lovely" counties, especially for an extended period of time? If you have and you like socialism why did you come back to the U.S.?
 
Old 05-03-2018, 03:20 PM
 
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You didn't answer my questions... I'll ask again...

Have you ever been to one of these "lovely" counties, especially for an extended period of time? If you have and you like socialism why did you come back to the U.S.?
It wasn't asked of me but I did answer. Perhaps they like the protection of this countries Socialists program over another countries. If you are a big investor one could certainly understand that position. No?
 
Old 05-03-2018, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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Most Democrats could not give a textbook definition of a "socialist", let alone try to be one. The same goes on the other side. Whoopy doo.
 
Old 05-03-2018, 04:12 PM
 
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This country operates as a combination of socialism and capitalism. A good example is public schools. Everyone contributes and not everyone has a child in school. If Republicans want to end the public school system, they should run on that. Medicare is another example. If the Republicans want to end Medicare, they should run on that. And most senior citizens get far more in medical benefits than they contribute, so the rest of us supplement their health care. Social Security is another example among others. If a Democrat says they believe in socialism, they are reflecting the honesty that is our country. This country is not 100% socialist and neither are Democrats. But there are aspects of running the country that benefit from a socialistic approach.
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