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Old 05-07-2018, 09:35 AM
 
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I don't have time to read all the responses, so forgive if this is already said, but...

They are a news organization. They should REPORT on the rallys, not broadcast them. These are campaign style rallys. Did they broadcast every single Hillary Rally DURING the election? No.

Since you want to make the Hitler comparison, I'll help you out. Hitler handled his propaganda by silencing and/or discrediting all media that was not favorable to him. Trump has been very vocal and aggressive about his desire to do the same. You don't seem to comprehend that CNN is not a candidate, not a leader, and not a politician or fascist leader. THEY can't handle things like Hitler did.

Trump is no Hitler, but he does seem to embrace some of the qualities and strategies that Hitler employed. Not surprising, they are both nationalists. That doesn't make Trump the same as Hitler, but his entire platform of blaming and scapegoating minorities, silencing and discrediting the legit media, and inciting violence as a means for change seems to take (at least) that part of Hitlers legacy and employ it for his outcome. Even the MAGA slogan has roots in Nazi Nationalism.

Only Trump knows what his true motives are. I can only point out the objective facts and observations of his words and actions. You can interpret as you wish. I bet it will be different from how I interpret them.

When Hillary ran against Obama this is an example of what liberal media said about Hillary.....

"The reason she's a U.S. senator, the reason she's a candidate for president, the reason she may be a front-runner is her husband messed around. That's how she got to be senator from New York. We keep forgetting it. She didn't win there on her merit."
-- MSNBC host Chris Matthews

But now the media wanted Hillary to win....

"If you're watching, Madam Secretary, all three of us have brilliant ideas. And I especially put myself in that group with Joan and David. We know how to do this, we'll get you in there."
-- MSNBC host Chris Matthews

At first they claim she didn't get there on her merit, the next they say they know how to get her in there (meaning the presidency). In other words by saying they know how to get Hillary in there they are saying they know how to manipulate you into voting for their chosen candidate. They are dictating who you support

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Old 05-07-2018, 09:47 AM
 
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Your perception is backwards. The media viciously attacks Trump but Trump is fighting back. Should Trump just allow the media to spew the vile hatred and lies without fighting back? Do you prefer a media who uses their power to dictate what to think? If a media was attacking and lying about you would you stay silent?
A true leader would address what he/she thinks is unfair or untrue, but would not dish out the childish attacks. I know you are no fan of Obama, but he handled a hostile (Much more hostile than the media toward Trump, I might add) media with class and dignity. He kept a calm and respectful demeanor, and responded with a combination of objective facts, and of course, his subjective opinions and interpretations, which certainly differed from some.

And before you go on and blather about how "the media" fawned all over Obama, make sure you look at how the right-wing media treated him. Look at Fox, Breitbart, etc.... They would be the fair comparison of how the left wing media treats Trump, and by any objective review, the left is much kinder and civilized toward Trump than the right was to Obama. (For every Kathy Griffin, there were a dozen people on the right showing Obama in a noose, or painted up like Hitler or on fire, or some other grotesque respresentation. Kathy got what she deserved, no problem there. Many of those on the right, did not get the push-back and consequences that she got.)
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Old 05-07-2018, 09:51 AM
 
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A true leader would address what he/she thinks is unfair or untrue, but would not dish out the childish attacks. I know you are no fan of Obama, but he handled a hostile (Much more hostile than the media toward Trump, I might add) media with class and dignity. He kept a calm and respectful demeanor, and responded with a combination of objective facts, and of course, his subjective opinions and interpretations, which certainly differed from some.

And before you go on and blather about how "the media" fawned all over Obama, make sure you look at how the right-wing media treated him. Look at Fox, Breitbart, etc.... They would be the fair comparison of how the left wing media treats Trump, and by any objective review, the left is much kinder and civilized toward Trump than the right was to Obama. (For every Kathy Griffin, there were a dozen people on the right showing Obama in a noose, or painted up like Hitler or on fire, or some other grotesque respresentation. Kathy got what she deserved, no problem there. Many of those on the right, did not get the push-back and consequences that she got.)
Show me a celebrity or actual known journalist that attacked Obama like that.

It was anonymous idiots doing that stuff .

So may have even been liberals trying to make Republicans look bad aka fake news.
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Old 05-07-2018, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Your perception is backwards. The media viciously attacks Trump but Trump is fighting back. Should Trump just allow the media to spew the vile hatred and lies without fighting back? Do you prefer a media who uses their power to dictate what to think? If a media was attacking and lying about you would you stay silent?
Interesting point. I look at it this way:

During the entire 8 years of the Bush Presidency the media crucified Bush nearly every day. Bush chose to NEVER respond to it, That pleased the hateful media, since they would not be challenged, Then the 8 years of the Obummer admin and the media was like an obediant lapdog, covering for their MESSiah.

But now, they are getting snippy that someone is challenging their outright lies and omissions. All the while trying to claim that Trump is trying to supress the media...ridiculous
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Old 05-07-2018, 10:07 AM
 
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Interesting point. I look at it this way:

During the entire 8 years of the Bush Presidency the media crucified Bush nearly every day. Bush chose to NEVER respond to it, That pleased the hateful media, since they would not be challenged, Then the 8 years of the Obummer admin and the media was like an obediant lapdog, covering for their MESSiah.

But now, they are getting snippy that someone is challenging their outright lies and omissions. All the while trying to claim that Trump is trying to supress the media...ridiculous
Yeah he’s just calling them out on their bs .

I don’t think Bush had the brains or balls to do so .

He was also an establishment guy . Trump is/was a revolutionary.



Not since 1980 — or perhaps 1932 — has such a political revolution hit the banks of the Potomac River.

Donald Trump comes into the White House with a bright, clear mandate to make wholesale changes to every aspect of the federal government.

From the darkest corners of the bloated federal bureaucracy to the bright marble columns of the Supreme Court, Mr. Trump’s mandate is as broad as it is dramatic. Illegal immigration, international trade, education, Obamacare and America’s war against terrorism are all on the table for complete overhauls.

Refreshingly, Mr. Trump’s mandate is not a partisan one. He owes very little to the Republican Party and absolutely nothing to the Democratic Party. He handily defeated partisans on both sides of the political aisle.

He also owes nothing to any industry or special interest group except the voters who elected him and the free market system that made him a billionaire. He is owned by no one.

As a result, Mr. Trump stands poised to reinvent the entire federal government in favor of the American people alone. He is a tireless agent of disruption and an unbending force for creative destruction.

The fabulous, entertaining, funny, unpredictable and daring real estate tycoon achieved this historic political realignment using one very simple strategy: attack political correctness and all its vestiges and all its purveyors at every turn


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...revolutionary/
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Old 05-07-2018, 10:20 AM
 
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A true leader would address what he/she thinks is unfair or untrue, but would not dish out the childish attacks. I know you are no fan of Obama, but he handled a hostile (Much more hostile than the media toward Trump, I might add) media with class and dignity. He kept a calm and respectful demeanor, and responded with a combination of objective facts, and of course, his subjective opinions and interpretations, which certainly differed from some.

And before you go on and blather about how "the media" fawned all over Obama, make sure you look at how the right-wing media treated him. Look at Fox, Breitbart, etc.... They would be the fair comparison of how the left wing media treats Trump, and by any objective review, the left is much kinder and civilized toward Trump than the right was to Obama. (For every Kathy Griffin, there were a dozen people on the right showing Obama in a noose, or painted up like Hitler or on fire, or some other grotesque respresentation. Kathy got what she deserved, no problem there. Many of those on the right, did not get the push-back and consequences that she got.)
ah, if you think the tingle up their leg media was hard on Obama then you're too far gone and there's no reason to debate you. Your mind is already slammed shut.
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Old 05-07-2018, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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When Hillary ran against Obama this is an example of what liberal media said about Hillary.....

"The reason she's a U.S. senator, the reason she's a candidate for president, the reason she may be a front-runner is her husband messed around. That's how she got to be senator from New York. We keep forgetting it. She didn't win there on her merit."
-- MSNBC host Chris Matthews

But now the media wanted Hillary to win....

"If you're watching, Madam Secretary, all three of us have brilliant ideas. And I especially put myself in that group with Joan and David. We know how to do this, we'll get you in there."
-- MSNBC host Chris Matthews

At first they claim she didn't get there on her merit, the next they say they know how to get her in there (meaning the presidency). In other words by saying they know how to get Hillary in there they are saying they know how to manipulate you into voting for their chosen candidate. They are dictating who you support
Yeah exactly , yet millions are manipulated by those overpaid talking heads .

Imagine the support Trump would have if MSM actually spoke positive about him .

He’d probably have the highest approval rating in history .
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Old 05-07-2018, 10:24 AM
 
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Yeah he’s just calling them out on their bs .

I don’t think Bush had the brains or balls to do so .

He was also an establishment guy . Trump is/was a revolutionary.



Not since 1980 — or perhaps 1932 — has such a political revolution hit the banks of the Potomac River.

Donald Trump comes into the White House with a bright, clear mandate to make wholesale changes to every aspect of the federal government.

From the darkest corners of the bloated federal bureaucracy to the bright marble columns of the Supreme Court, Mr. Trump’s mandate is as broad as it is dramatic. Illegal immigration, international trade, education, Obamacare and America’s war against terrorism are all on the table for complete overhauls.

Refreshingly, Mr. Trump’s mandate is not a partisan one. He owes very little to the Republican Party and absolutely nothing to the Democratic Party. He handily defeated partisans on both sides of the political aisle.

He also owes nothing to any industry or special interest group except the voters who elected him and the free market system that made him a billionaire. He is owned by no one.

As a result, Mr. Trump stands poised to reinvent the entire federal government in favor of the American people alone. He is a tireless agent of disruption and an unbending force for creative destruction.

The fabulous, entertaining, funny, unpredictable and daring real estate tycoon achieved this historic political realignment using one very simple strategy: attack political correctness and all its vestiges and all its purveyors at every turn


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...revolutionary/
Bernie Sanders and his supporters liked to call themselves the revolutionary party but when he was cheated out of the nomination Bernie jumped on board with the very people who cheated him and many of his supporters followed. That's not a revolutionary party, that's a controlled wing of the party. They don't like Trump because he is standing up for his beliefs and the media or the old guard can't control him, hence... the hate trump wing
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Old 05-07-2018, 10:27 AM
 
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Yeah exactly , yet millions are manipulated by those overpaid talking heads .
And that's what they are, over paid talking heads, paid to manipulate the people to vote the way they want. At first they said Hillary didn't get where she is on merit, to trash her in favor of getting Obama elected then they did an about face and was so sure "they would get her in there".

And people don't think they're being manipulated?
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Old 05-07-2018, 10:29 AM
 
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The swamp doesn't want to be drained, they don't want the gravy train to stop so they must hate Trump with everything they got to manipulate the masses into hating him too.
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