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Old 05-17-2018, 08:05 PM
 
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I heard him say it on the full video and knew exactly what he was talking about. I didn't even vote for the guy but acknowledge the media obsession to report with bias. He did not speak poorly in this instance and the media is either too stupid or biased to understand it and report (or not) correctly. The ones reporting this as calling all immigrants animals do not have enough intelligence and/or integrity to do their job. The onus is on them.
Yes he did speak poorly. He should have clearly said -- the violent illegal immigrants or MS-13. He should have chosen his words better.

Any public figure should choose their words carefully when they are communicating so there is no potential for purposefully misunderstanding or misreading.

It's not that difficult. It really isn't.
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:11 PM
 
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And for the upteenth time -- yes we know Trump didn't mean to suggest all illegal residents are animals -- just the violent ones but that's why it is important to be a good, clear communicator.

Those MS-13 illegal residents are animals.........

Those illegals are animals.......

Of course the latter statement does include MS-13 but could be construed to mean all illegals.

It just does -- yes yes yes - we know what he meant to say.

then say it -- he didn't even have to use big words or anything......
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:15 PM
 
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Yes he did speak poorly. He should have clearly said -- the violent illegal immigrants or MS-13. He should have chosen his words better.

Any public figure should choose their words carefully when they are communicating so there is no potential for purposefully misunderstanding or misreading.

It's not that difficult. It really isn't.
We'll agree to disagree in this instance. I will agree that his communication style could be better, but it will not change so the press needs to adjust in order to report with integrity and honesty. Otherwise they appear too lazy to do the work (or too biased), instead of being spoonfed eloquent soundbites as in the previous administration. Would I appreciate him being better at it? Of course, but it is not going to happen so let's move on.
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:15 PM
 
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Trump lied about President Obama not being born in the US for 7 years and now you want to cut him some slack?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzpY7aDPhtw

He lied about paying off Stormy Daniels....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M8YYSTznKU

He lied about his Inaugural crowd sizes:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPZ1UmHEEdc

and now you want to say he didn't call Immigrants "animals"???
He calls them worse than that though...drug dealers and rapists !

Unless of course they are from Norway !


For the umpteenth time Trump did not call plain ole immigrants, animals. He was speaking of the MS-13 gang members. He did not call Mexicans here legally, rapists, etc. either. He was speaking of those here illegally and it's just a fact that some of them are.


Stick your race card back in your wallet! It matters not where an immigrant or illegal alien is from. if they are harming our citizens in any way they shouldn't be here and especially not illegal aliens who are here in violation of our immigration laws.


All of your other remarks about Trump are off topic and just a deflection because you can't handle the truth that it was the MSN that lied about the issue we are discussing.
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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We'll agree to disagree in this instance. I will agree that his communication style could be better, but it will not change so the press needs to adjust in order to report with integrity and honesty. Otherwise they appear too lazy to do the work (or too biased), instead of being spoonfed eloquent soundbites as in the previous administration. Would I appreciate him being better at it? Of course, but it is not going to happen so let's move on.
ha ha, no. The press does not need to "adjust" by pretending that he didn't say the words that came out of his mouth. He's the one who has control over that, and the rest of us can only go by what he says, not what other people want to pretend he meant.

He doubled down again today and this was far from the first time he's referred to human beings as animals. It doesn't matter whether he says it's a big group or a small group, it remains a despicable, not remotely Christian statement, period.
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:24 PM
 
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ha ha, no. The press does not need to "adjust" by pretending that he didn't say the words that came out of his mouth. He's the one who has control over that, and the rest of us can only go by what he says, not what other people want to pretend he meant.

He doubled down again today and this was far from the first time he's referred to human beings as animals. It doesn't matter whether he says it's a big group or a small group, it remains a despicable, not remotely Christian statement, period.
They are ANIMALS. You can love them if you like, I will continue to call them ANIMALS, every day. They are not human beings because they do not have any respect for human life, not yours not mine not anyone's. They would laugh in your face at your empathy for them, and then slit your throat.
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:26 PM
 
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Like Sarah said, the left can defend ms-13 all they want. Not good. The poo is on them
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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They are ANIMALS. You can love them if you like, I will continue to call them ANIMALS, every day. They are not human beings because they do not have any respect for human life.
You can lie and claim that I said I loved criminals. I didn't. And you can continue to shout despicable statements that I will continue to decry every time you. I'm not sure if you claim to a Christian or not, but Trump does, so it makes him even worse.

BTW, I consider myself better than murderers - that's why I can acknowledge that even they are entitled to recognition of their humanity even if they don't demonstrate it themselves in their horrible treatment of others. Surely you too are better than a murderer?
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Like Sarah said, the left can defend ms-13 all they want. Not good. The poo is on them
Ah yes, Sarah Huckabee. Another so-called Christian who has zero concept of what that actually means.

Ironically, I'm not even Christian and I seem to have a far better grasp of the concept.
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:30 PM
 
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You can lie and claim that I said I loved criminals. I didn't. And you can continue to shout despicable statements that I will continue to decry every time you. I'm not sure if you claim to a Christian or not, but Trump does, so it makes him even worse.

BTW, I consider myself better than murderers - that's why I can acknowledge that even they are entitled to recognition of their humanity even if they don't demonstrate it themselves. Surely you too are better than a murderer?
My religious affiliation is none of your business and I do not bring it up to denigrate anyone, ever. But you sure seem to sling it to denigrate.

Like I added to my last post:

These criminals would laugh in your face at your empathy for them, and then slit your throat. I hope you never find yourself face to face with one.

And of course I am better than a murderer.
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