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Old 05-22-2018, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by easthome View Post
We don't? I think perhaps you might just be 'wrong' there don't you?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...s-in-the-world

Ooops looks like you are wrong there! Besides I'm not sure what that has got to do with anything? A childish remark perhaps because you don't actually have a valid 'argument' to make? Tell me more how this great 'difference' between our countries results in such a HUGE disparity between the two countries when it comes to the numbers of people shot to death? I'm all ears.
are you saying England is perfect and has no gun crime issues???

London, England...guns are highly controlled...... yet apr16-apr17.... 2,544 gun crime offences....and Knife crime also high with 12,074 recorded offences

that's just ONE city in Jolly Ole' England
Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News


There were 8,800ish gun crimes in 2017 in the USA with a population of 325 million
yet there were 2,544 gun crime offences in 2017 in London (just a city) ....with the pop of 8.539 million
England population is about 56 million



seems to me that England has more of a gun problem than the USA...England where guns are more restricted than the US

 
Old 05-22-2018, 03:56 PM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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School shootings are not a new phenomenon. Mass school shootings have proliferated in the past twenty years, but school violence involving firearms is definitely not new.

One of the worst acts of school violence in U.S. history, btw, was a bombing that took place in Bath, Michigan, in 1927. Thirty-eight people, most of them children, died, and 58 more were wounded.
IF guns are ever banned then we'd more than likely see more school bombings happen. There have been quite a few fairly recent incidents where kids, and others, had been busted for having bombs that they had planned on setting off in schools, for having the ingredients to make bombs, for threatening to use bombs in schools, etc. (of course the intended use of bombs, or the threat of using one, is not limited to just schools, but that's a different topic)

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Unbalanced psycopaths with easy access to guns.
If the school and cops hadn't utilized obama's failed program, of doing nothing when a troubled kid does wrong, except hiding the info about it, then perhaps the FL shooter wouldn't have had legal access to guns. There are many rules and laws that had been created to protect people, but when those laws are skirted bad things tend to happen.
 
Old 05-22-2018, 04:28 PM
 
Location: SE UK
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are you saying England is perfect and has no gun crime issues???

London, England...guns are highly controlled...... yet apr16-apr17.... 2,544 gun crime offences....and Knife crime also high with 12,074 recorded offences

that's just ONE city in Jolly Ole' England
Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News


There were 8,800ish gun crimes in 2017 in the USA with a population of 325 million
yet there were 2,544 gun crime offences in 2017 in London (just a city) ....with the pop of 8.539 million
England population is about 56 million



seems to me that England has more of a gun problem than the USA...England where guns are more restricted than the US
No of course I'm not, but we have around 100 deaths by gun a year here compared to around 30'000 there!!! That is an astranomical difference! Huge, massive, enormous! I can't see how that makes guns more of a problem here! Surely you are not trying to compare the US to the UK looool! Have a look at this then comment further please:-

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/03/a...ics/index.html

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...cs-maps-charts

The rate is TWENTY FIVE TIMES that of other first world countries TWENTY FIVE TIMES that is shameful!
 
Old 05-22-2018, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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You cant shoot someone without a gun.

You can't shoot someone with a baseball bat.

This feigned ignorance and obstinate refusal to consider doing something about guns is turning America into a war zone. Grow up. Meanwhile kids are dying in American schools.
#MAGA.
You are right, you can't shoot someone with a baseball bat-good job there skippy. But you can bash their head in. And more people are murdered with "blunt objects" (clubs/bats/hammers/etc) than with rifles of all types-let alone so-called assault weapons.

Grow up and recognize that it's not the GUN doing the killing-it's the person pulling the trigger. Fewer homes own guns than in the past. Guns are harder to (legally) acquire than ever. Accidental gun deaths have been declining for decades. It's not the guns that have changed. It is people. We refuse to do the job of parenting and we refuse to maintain any form of discipline in the classroom. We allow people who are mentally deficient to roam freely, rather than institutionalizing them, as should be done. We have parents and teachers that refuse to teach children that actions have consequences. Instead of accepting responsibility for raising animals-some try to blame inanimate objects.
 
Old 05-22-2018, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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No of course I'm not, but we have around 100 deaths by gun a year here compared to around 30'000 there!!! That is an astranomical difference! Huge, massive, enormous! I can't see how that makes guns more of a problem here! Surely you are not trying to compare the US to the UK looool! Have a look at this then comment further please:-

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/03/a...ics/index.html

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...cs-maps-charts

The rate is TWENTY FIVE TIMES that of other first world countries TWENTY FIVE TIMES that is shameful!
1. our numbers are only about 8k...not 30k

2.
you numbers are currently at 2k(just for London)..not 100 like you typed

3. our population is 4-5 times yours
 
Old 05-22-2018, 04:38 PM
 
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If the school and cops hadn't utilized obama's failed program, of doing nothing when a troubled kid does wrong, except hiding the info about it, then perhaps the FL shooter wouldn't have had legal access to guns. There are many rules and laws that had been created to protect people, but when those laws are skirted bad things tend to happen.
Which failed programs?
 
Old 05-22-2018, 04:43 PM
 
Location: SE UK
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
1. our numbers are only about 8k...not 30k

2.
you numbers are currently at 2k(just for London)..not 100 like you typed

3. our population is 4-5 times yours
Try googling gun deaths UK v US if you want the numbers! The difference is so astranomically huge that you have NO chance of trying to prove gun crime is worse in the UK looool, go on try and get back to me, meanwhile look at this:-

United Kingdom vs United States Crime Stats Compared

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

WOW not even close to being close lol

I say again there are around 70-100 deaths by gun in the UK every year, there are around 30'000 in the US.
 
Old 05-22-2018, 04:44 PM
 
Location: SE UK
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Now we know the numbers workingclasshero, tell me, why are guns killing so many people in the US compared to all other first world countries? I am yet to hear anybody make ANY sensible suggestion other than the fact you can easily pick up a gun there.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-peopl...-Great-Britain
 
Old 05-22-2018, 04:45 PM
 
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"Guns cause shootings" and "*Something other than guns* causes shootings" aren't mutually exclusive statements.
 
Old 05-22-2018, 04:51 PM
 
Location: SE UK
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Yet your chance of getting shot in a mass shooting are still less than 1/10 of 1%. As was already stated, we aren't going to punish 150 million people for the dirty deeds of a handful.
Aw thats OK then, that means that all those kids lives aren't very important after all! Thank god for that, tell me ATP in your eyes how many kids need to die before its worth trying to do something about it? 100? 20'000? Just one if it happens to be your kid?
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