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Right, give the shooter no publicity whatsoever and announce this policy to the public. Maybe even a declare a total news blackout. I don't know if this would work or not, but they need to try something.
It might work, but there’s still the Internet. At least that could give us a bit of warning though if people monitor these things.
The media needs to stop making the shooters famous by broadcasting their names, faces, motives etc etc..
We might actually be seeing a type of copycat scenario going on. Terrorists do the same thing.
Teens all over the world have angst and problems fitting in with their peers. Teens all over the world have issues figuring out their place in the world and what their future might hold.
The difference with America V. the rest of the world is that we have done a lousy job of raising our kids. For many years we have hoisted the kids up in an artificial bubble that they are special and will always win. Kids have been fed this false narrative by feel good parents and school administrators that don't want kids to get upset so they made everyone a winner. What a crazy notion to not keep score in a sporting game. My niece goes to a school that doesn't have grades on report cards. They dropped the A-F letters in favor of a Satisfactory scale. Where is the incentive when trying to study to raise a C to a B when the report card will read Satisfactory?
We have too many kids that have been mollycoddled, told they are winners and or drugged up to keep them in line.
Well when they get old enough to realize that they are not unique, special and actually that in real life there are winners and losers their entire inflated self worth collapses. Some can handle this big let down and some cannot. Some cry, some turn to drugs or hurting themselves while some turn to hurting others and some pick up guns to murder.
They could take away the guns but we are still going to have terrible scenes where bombs, knives, and trucks are used to kill.
Stop glorifying the terrible carnage from these scenes.
Absolutely True first children need to learn several basic lessons in life:
1.) Life is not fair, get used to it.
2.) Children need to learn how to win gracefully, and how to loose gracefully.
3.) Children need to learn not to be rewarded for mere participation, but success. Once you get into the adult working world, mere participation seldom keeps a job. But working hard at it and doing a good job usually does.
And as far as not glorifying these shooting: The media will never get to the point that they will not televise it, but instead of referring to the person by their name, it should be NUT-CASE #1, or NUT-CASE #2. And only ever referred to them by that number, Even in court with sealed court records, and close trial proceedings.
It is a very good article. I only posted a few paragraphs. I think this explains what’s happening very well.
If it doesn't blame guns and law abiding gun owners liberals will ignore or dismiss it as "right wing propaganda". They have one and only one "solution" to the problem of school violence even though it won't make a damn bit of difference or solve anything.
It is a very good article. I only posted a few paragraphs. I think this explains what’s happening very well.
Actually, someone explained it much earlier than that.
Dominant males became aggressive, some moving in groups, attacking females and the young. Mating behaviors were disrupted. Some became exclusively homosexual. Others became pansexual and hypersexual, attempting to mount any rat they encountered. Mothers neglected their infants, first failing to construct proper nests, and then carelessly abandoning and even attacking their pups. In certain sections of the pens, infant mortality rose as high as 96%, the dead cannibalized by adults. Subordinate animals withdrew psychologically, surviving in a physical sense but at an immense psychological cost.They were the majority in the late phases of growth, existing as a vacant, huddled mass in the center of the pens. Unable to breed, the population plummeted and did not recover. The crowded rodents had lost the ability to co-exist harmoniously, even after the population numbers once again fell to low levels. At a certain density, they had ceased to act like rats and mice, and the change was permanent.
Sources:
Calhoun, J. B. 1963. The Ecology and Sociology of the Norway Rat. Bethesda, MD: U.S. Department of Health, Education & Welfare.
Pines, M. 1971. “How the social organization of animal communities can lead to a population crisis which destroys them,” in Julius Segal (ed.) National Institute of Mental Health; Mental Health Reports – 5; U.S. Department of Health Education & Welfare.
HEW no longer exists as the Department of Education became a separate cabinet position, other agencies were reorganized and the Department of Health & Human Services was created in its place.
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Harris was the mastermind for sure. He was a classic sociopath. It's possible he could have brainwashed Klebold. Almost like a Charles Manson type thing.
That's the result of bad family dynamics. No love in the home. No teaching of morality, ethics or values, which leads to a total lack of guilt or shame (which is basically what sociopathy is).
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Both kids were reportedly on psychotropic drugs. Harris was on a drug similar to Paxil, and friends of Klebold reported that klebold had been on Zoloft and Paxil.
I was on Paxil and Zoloft, and I never killed anyone. Of course, my brain chemistry is vastly different than that of an adolescent. Because the brain chemistry between adults and adolescents is so vastly different, it's probably not a good idea to dispense psychotropic drugs intended for adult use to adolescents.
The media needs to stop making the shooters famous by broadcasting their names, faces, motives etc etc..
We might actually be seeing a type of copycat scenario going on. Terrorists do the same thing.
Teens all over the world have angst and problems fitting in with their peers. Teens all over the world have issues figuring out their place in the world and what their future might hold.
The difference with America V. the rest of the world is that we have done a lousy job of raising our kids. For many years we have hoisted the kids up in an artificial bubble that they are special and will always win. Kids have been fed this false narrative by feel good parents and school administrators that don't want kids to get upset so they made everyone a winner. What a crazy notion to not keep score in a sporting game. My niece goes to a school that doesn't have grades on report cards. They dropped the A-F letters in favor of a Satisfactory scale. Where is the incentive when trying to study to raise a C to a B when the report card will read Satisfactory?
We have too many kids that have been mollycoddled, told they are winners and or drugged up to keep them in line.
Well when they get old enough to realize that they are not unique, special and actually that in real life there are winners and losers their entire inflated self worth collapses. Some can handle this big let down and some cannot. Some cry, some turn to drugs or hurting themselves while some turn to hurting others and some pick up guns to murder.
They could take away the guns but we are still going to have terrible scenes where bombs, knives, and trucks are used to kill.
Stop glorifying the terrible carnage from these scenes.
Not new. My public school report cards looked like that in the early '70s. It wasn't until high school that I received traditional letter grades.
Absolutely True first children need to learn several basic lessons in life:
1.) Life is not fair, get used to it.
2.) Children need to learn how to win gracefully, and how to loose gracefully.
3.) Children need to learn not to be rewarded for mere participation, but success. Once you get into the adult working world, mere participation seldom keeps a job. But working hard at it and doing a good job usually does.
And as far as not glorifying these shooting: The media will never get to the point that they will not televise it, but instead of referring to the person by their name, it should be NUT-CASE #1, or NUT-CASE #2. And only ever referred to them by that number, Even in court with sealed court records, and close trial proceedings.
I don't believe these shooting have anything to do with what goes on in the home or how a child is raised. A sociopath is a sociopath is a sociopath. They come from good homes, bad homes, rich, poor...... etc. There is no correlation with these school shooters and any particular type of home-life. The other mental condition that appears frequently in these shootings is psychosis, which can be linked to poor health and drug use but also has nothing to do with socialization.
The constant media certainly contributes to these massacres with sociopaths like Eric Harris or Nicholas Cruz because most sociopaths are also narcissists. Basically, they want the attention or fame and lack the empathy to prevent them from killing to get it. Individuals experiencing psychosis such as Adam Lanza who many psychologists believe was an diagnosed schizophrenic are a completely different animal. Obviously, someone like David Berkowitz (the 44 magnum killer) didn't take orders to kill people from a 3,000 year old dog because of something in his upbringing. He was nuts, plain and simple. In today's world he may have taken part in a mass shooting instead of choosing to be a serial killer being that mass shootings have sorta replaced the common serial killers of the past. Maybe his dog would have told him to shoot at or drive a truck through a crowd if that is what was what other psychopaths of the time were doing. It's almost like mass shootings are a trend at this point. It's as if crazy people no longer want to be the next zodiac killer or Ted Bundy, but instead want to be the next Stephen Paddock.
That's the result of bad family dynamics. No love in the home. No teaching of morality, ethics or values, which leads to a total lack of guilt or shame (which is basically what sociopathy is).
Sociopaths are born and not made. Even kids trained by ISIS cutting men's heads off are not sociopaths because they still feel empathy. They are merely killing what they have been taught are their enemies. True sociopaths care very little to nothing at all for anyone but themselves. Being a sociopath is a personality disorder. You could have raised Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer in any environment and they would still have been sociopaths.
It's hard for a lot of people to understand that sometimes you simply get a bad egg. Just think of how many people you have met in your life with a sibling that grew up in the same home, with the same parents, and the same dynamic that are criminals. I have a pair of cousins like that. One is the most level headed kind women you will ever meet. The other one is a pathological liar that will steal anything not tied down. She's been that way since she was little. Her parents finally gave up on her by the time she was in her 20's. Last I heard, she was homeless. I feel terrible for her parents because they were actually really good parents. They were much better than my parents, yet one of there kids turned out with gobs of problems.
We could write books about the possibilities - and many of the theories would have some truth to them.
At the same time, mass communication has been in force for 100+ years. People knew what happened 1/2 way around the world within minutes (radio) or hours (newspapers). Even in the mid-1800's the telegraph made it so people knew stuff quite quickly.
So - did lots of people do what Capone and his fella did? After all, you could get a tommy-gun and roll down the streets and just shoot...and get away with it.
Now - that might be an important point right there. Back in the day, you COULD get away with many crimes. No security cameras, no fax machines or computers, not even a good database of fingerprints.
A big difference today is that murderers and other attention-getters have no intention of getting away with their crimes. They seek death (in most cases) or capture.
That makes it even more puzzling.
There is always the tendency to blame things on mass culture, media, morals, video games, pelvis-grinding music, pot, drinking, the KKK or who or whatever is handy. My "theory" is that we humans are great at making the simple...complex. My best example is Wall Street. A person (say, even Donald Trump) could put their money into an index fund and be worth billions more than they are worth by making their lives 100X more complicated. Look at all the charts and the theories and the brokers and the sales people....all like a bunch of Fortune Tellers. Superstition.
Same goes with this subject. Monday morning QBing allows us to make out theories fit perfectly.
Do these theories offer a solution? Not iMHO. We are not going to stop the internet. We are not going to stop hate radio, hate tv or hate communications.
So people will come up with all these crazy-arsed ideas...none of which are practical or will be done, when the simpler answers are right in front of their face. Should a 17 year old have access to the guns and ammo of his father? Should the Vegas shooter have been allowed to buy higher-power ammo which killed from hundreds of yards with a single unaimed bullet? Should he have been able to buy bump stocks...or even own multiple rifles?
All questions which may have more relevance than closing down the interweb.
I don't believe these shooting have anything to do with what goes on in the home or how a child is raised. A sociopath is a sociopath is a sociopath. They come from good homes, bad homes, rich, poor...... etc. There is no correlation with these school shooters and any particular type of home-life. The other mental condition that appears frequently in these shootings is psychosis, which can be linked to poor health and drug use but also has nothing to do with socialization.
Most likely the case I am sure that is not contributing to the mass shooting's, but in a small way maybe it is.
We as a people are still not doing our children any favors if we are not teaching how to loose, as well as how to win.
We are not doing our children any favors with participation trophies. In the working world, at best when times are good if you are just barely contributing to the work flow, you may be able to keep your job. But as soon as times get tough good luck on keeping your job if you are not productive.
Children need to be taught that only through hard work will they succeeded in life.
If it doesn't blame guns and law abiding gun owners liberals will ignore or dismiss it as "right wing propaganda". They have one and only one "solution" to the problem of school violence even though it won't make a damn bit of difference or solve anything.
It’s from The New Yorker in 2015. I don’t think they’ll be able to dismiss it as right wing garbage.
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