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View Poll Results: Is it acceptable to use Deadly Force to prevent a Rape?
Yes-shoot the SOB. Prevent a horrible crime and take a predator out of society 120 100.00%
NO-it's just sex, the woman will get over it. She has no right to be judge, jury and executioner. 0 0%
Voters: 120. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-23-2018, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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I encourage the woman that I come in contact with to get their CCL and this a perfect scenario on why. I agree with Bent about distance and showing the gun could be enough. Other wise I support the woman shooting the perv in the face and stopping his aggression. I rather him dead then her raped.
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Old 05-23-2018, 09:56 AM
 
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Is it Acceptable to use Deadly Force to Prevent a Rape?

In the scenario above, is there a measurement of distance between the prey and predator?
It may just take brandishing the weapon. Not actually pulling the trigger.
I agree.

I am in favor of using potentially deadly force if necessary. Baseball bats, knives, and firearms are all potentially good weapons when handy, even a wrench or a pipe or a fist.

Brandishing a weapon may be sufficient. It also is important to avoid hurting the victim. If the act is stopped and the perpetrator runs for it, we should try to remember a good description, and not try to gun them down in the street. Pay attention to the victim and make sure their immediate needs are met.
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Old 05-23-2018, 09:59 AM
 
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Sorry.

One can't just shoot anyone for some verbal threat. If so, the cemeteries would fill up quite quickly.
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Old 05-23-2018, 10:02 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Sorry.

One can't just shoot anyone for some verbal threat. If so, the cemeteries would fill up quite quickly.

Funny considering we're told we should be willing to go to war for nothing but verbal threats.
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Old 05-23-2018, 10:11 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Lot of variables, here.

What is a confrontation? Imagine most would be rapists would have rendered the woman helpless on the ground in a blink of an eye.

How would she know he had a history of violent criminal acts?

Most rapists do not vocalize their intent.

Nonetheless, she somehow manages to retrieve her gun and shoots him dead.

Seconds later, dead guy’s wife and 4 kids enter the parking lot carrying doggie bags from the restaurant they just had dinner at.

Perhaps the woman was startled / frightened by the man’s presence in the dark parking lot.
Perhaps she misunderstood his words / intention.

So many variables.





Is there any reason we should know, why you shouldn't be armed at all times in public?
Are you a danger to society, having evil thoughts and are not telling us?
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Old 05-23-2018, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The scenario-an adult women, carrying a concealed firearm. She is confronted in a dark parking lot by a violent criminal that has vocalized his intention to rape her.

Question-is it acceptable to shoot him, knowing that this is likely to result in his death, to prevent the rape?
Overall, rape can be viewed as a grievous physical and psychological attack that may be resisted by any and all means.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publicatio...aspx?ID=108610

To be legally justified in killing an attacker, a rape victim must reasonably believe that the rapist intends to kill or grievously injure her. In many rape situations, the threat of severe physical harm is clear; the rapist is armed or threatens death or grievous injury. Situations where a rapist does not explicitly or implicitly threaten physical harm beyond forcible intercourse are less clear regarding the victim's right to use deadly force against the rapist. Current law does not clearly articulate a basis for the right to use deadly self-defense when a person reasonably believes that harm will be limited to forcible intercourse. One factor which can justify the use of deadly force against a rapist who does not threaten the victim with death or grievous physical harm is the high frequency of murder and serious injury incident to rape. This could properly lead any rape victim to assume that her life and health are in serious danger. A second factor that could justify the use of deadly force is the high rate of physical injury and psychological trauma attending rape. The threat of venereal disease, an unwanted pregnancy, and psychological debilitation can be taken together as a threat of serious harm. Overall, rape can be viewed as a grievous physical and psychological attack that may be resisted by any and all means.
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Old 05-23-2018, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, TX
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****, why don't you just use karate on them?
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Old 05-23-2018, 10:14 AM
 
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Lot of variables, here.

What is a confrontation? Imagine most would be rapists would have rendered the woman helpless on the ground in a blink of an eye.

How would she know he had a history of violent criminal acts?

Most rapists do not vocalize their intent.

Nonetheless, she somehow manages to retrieve her gun and shoots him dead.

Seconds later, dead guy’s wife and 4 kids enter the parking lot carrying doggie bags from the restaurant they just had dinner at.

Perhaps the woman was startled / frightened by the man’s presence in the dark parking lot.
Perhaps she misunderstood his words / intention.

So many variables.
The thought problem introduced by the OP sets the condition that there is no doubt of the rape intent, so there are no such variables in this thread.
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Old 05-23-2018, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Is it Acceptable to use Deadly Force to Prevent a Rape?

In the scenario above, is there a measurement of distance between the prey and predator?
It may just take brandishing the weapon. Not actually pulling the trigger.
That is not very good advice. When you pull it, you pull it to shoot or the attacker might grab it and use it on you.
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Old 05-23-2018, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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Slippery slope, and I didn't answer the poll because I don't like how the answers are articulated.
Someone verbally threatening you doesn't necessarily rise to a level that would justify deadly force, IMO. If you are 5'1 and 90 lbs and the guy/girl (lets be fair) is 6'4, 250, maybe, because if he gets close enough and makes a move, you are very likely to be overpowered and then it's all over. But I don't think you can just start shooting before anyone makes a move. You can carry if you can carry, but better to also carry pepper spray and incapacitate temporarily while you run, scream like hell, and get to someplace where there are people.
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