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Do schools still have Rifle clubs? That is a part of gun culture. No NRA necessary.
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None of mine did. All of the teachers would look at you like you were some sort of freak if you talked about shooting/hunting with friends.
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Do parents own guns and teach their children how to shoot, take them to the range, go hunting? That is a part of gun culture. No NRA necessary.
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So gun culture is doing things with kids that teach them responsibility?
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Raising the age to 21 won't matter when these kids have already been taught how to shoot and have access to their parents guns.
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So in other words what you are saying is, the law is meaningless and it's best to take a chance and infringe others rights based on the actions of a mass murdering scumbag and conflate him/his age with all that are 18-20?
If the shooter was muslim, and Florida said No Muslims can own firearms, would that still make it right? If the shooter was black and Florida said no blacks can own firearms would that still make it right? If a female, no females can own firearms? If gay, no gays can own firearms?
No, it wouldnt.
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Their parents are promoting the use of guns to them. We do not know whether Cruz grew up in a gun household with his elderly, adopted parents.
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You aren't their parents. I doubt parents are promoting the mass murdering of classmates. Hyper hysterical shark jump noted though.
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However, the couple who let him stay with them DID allow him to bring his guns with him. They would be part of the gun culture.
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The law used to be 18 for long gun purchases. Rifles carbines shotguns.
If they denied him residency in their home, he would just have kept looking for someone else to stay with.
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There was another couple who refused him if he brought his guns into their home. Did they have that right?
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Yeah. It's their house, their rules. He wasn't owed anything by anyone.
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Were they violating his 2nd Amendment rights?
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Nope. They own the property, they lay the rules.
Why wasn't he able to put a roof over his head? At 17 I was making enough money to rent an apartment at 850 per month. Wouldn't have had much more than the 94 Cadillac Deville I was driving and that apartment though. That was back when gas in NY was almost 5 dollars per gallon.
Again, I can't sympathize with the scumbag. I didn't ever see a reason to give your side another incident to justify your cause, nor have a reason to throw everything I had going for me away over a person who got off tormenting others by being a coward and a bully.
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Do you think Minors should have 2nd Amendment rights also?
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Yup. I did. From age 13 on. I never shot any schools up. Nor another person.
It says the right of the people. At what age do you become a person?
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They should not have 1st Amendments rights? Ever hear sticks and stones (or guns 2nd) will break my bones (kill me), but words (1st Amendment) cannot hurt me. That is why even children have one right and not the other.
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I don't know, he claims he was bullied. I would argue words hurt him and caused him to harm those that hurt him and worse. Then again I'm not him. Nor can I sympathize with him... I'm just pointing out a symptom. Just like I did when I was a mechanic.
Symptom, System, Component, Cause, Repair, Verify Repair.
It took more than words to get me to react violently. I always could go round for round when it came to slinging insults. I never relinquished power to a bully. I would make it a mission to bury them with embarrassment and regret.
Nothing was off limits.
I had a way at finding their deepest darkest secrets and utterly embarrass them.
Parents divorced? Have a weird hobby/habit/fetish? Have a relative locked up for drugs or DWI or in a looney bin? Do something embarrassing/compromising? Usually a jilted ex girlfriend of a bully would feed me the juicy details.
I would hit them so hard with what they'd want kept a secret it took the wind out of their sails instantly. Their buddies who'd go along with them would chuckle.
Bullies didn't have friends, they had followers. Friends would defend one another. Bullies "friends" would chuckle and say sorry dude, that was good though...
And if it escalated to getting physical it just meant we squared up in the student parking lot or out on the field at football practice. We either ignored each other to this day, or became friends afterwards.
Remind you, I had unlimited access to rifles and shotguns from 13 on...
I never threatened the use of one nor descended upon them with one. That wasn't even a thought. Why kill someone over being a dick?
It would do what? It would reflect on my parents. It would reflect on other gun owners. And I'd be damned if I would stoop that low to smear and tarnish my parents and gun owners across the country and give your side any relevancy.
I wasn't raised to be a heathen nor a mass murdering scumbag. I at least had enough respect for others lives I wouldn't terminate theirs despite being an Ahole for tormenting others because they have mommy/daddy/drug issues. Or felt that because they came from money they owned everything and everyone and could get away with being an Ahole.
If I got physical with them, it's because their parents didn't cull their behavior with a beating but rather made excuses up for their cherub. "Not my little Johnny, he would never do such a thing!"
I would always conclude whether it was a verbal or physical exchange.
It really tells me alot about you, that you get off harming others. If this doesn't change or stop it, you really need to get help. There is no excuse for you to be like that. None what so ever.
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You will never read in American Rifleman about an unarmed citizen disarming the bad gun with a gun, i.e, Tuscon, LIRR, Waffle House, and the last school shooting. However, "If you have firsthand "Armed Citizen" experience, call NRA-ILA, etc., etc. They publish those. Gun culture.
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I never read about you doing much else to protect kids in a class room other than hide with them, why didn't you disarm the active shooter on your campus?
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In their June 2018 issue there are a number of articles on "stopping them" from taking away your rights! I am not quoting these since I have no desire to read any of their propaganda. There is only one ad in the entire issue about hunting showing a deer in a scope. Not about politics?
NRA sells fear and paranoia.
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They're not wrong.
Politicians believe just like little Davey, that my rights are up for debate. They conflate mass murdering scumbags with everyone else. That's called a false equivalency.
Why should I, or anyone else be subject to draconian laws driven by emotion?
They publish the words out of politicians mouths.
What, I should just be complacent and forfeit my rights and the rights of others according to your emotions?
Nope. Doesn't work that way.
NRA sells insurance for firearms. Isn't that what some of you have proposed? Insuring firearms?
Fear and paranoia? Nah, that's your side of the argument.
I didn't need a magazine from the NRA to tell me what's going on. I'm observant. Forget about that part where I used to live in NY?
You think I'll allow that scourge to sweep the nation? Pfft. Nope.
I just attend meetings with politicians or speak with them over the phone or through email, and donate accordingly. I cut Wayne Lapierre the middle man out of the picture. I go direct to the source. They believe in preserving the 2nd, and don't say anything like "I believe in the second, but..."
They get money. Especially if they want to overturn the 18-20 year old ban on purchasing a shotgun rifle or carbine.
Not one politician on your side of the argument has one logical approach to solving the issue. Not a single one. They like Andrew Cuomo would rather make me and others felons over night because we like something they don't like. In the next breath they blat about how prisons are overflowing and implement programs like PROMISE which protects criminals.
I think we can all agree that program was responsible for the scumbag for getting a firearm legally. Afterall, Superintendent Runcie said himself he was no longer going to punish criminals and lock up kids anymore... because it's hard to get a job, get into college, or get into the military with an arrest record.
Know what else is difficult to get with an arrest record?
Firearms.
But not so much as a peep from you and the other lemmings about that flop of a program. It's the guns and this "gun culture" that's responsible for mass murdering scumbags.
You and your ilk never go after the root cause because you lack the emotional maturity and lack critical thinking skills. I'm glad you're all not doctors or mechanics with the way you all misdiagnose the root causes. And patients would be dying left and right, vehicles wouldn't be fixed without throwing massive amounts of parts at them.
Motive, Incentive, Intent, Enabling outliers.
Symptom. System. Component. Cause. Repair. Verify repair.
You fools would waste your wish on eradicating firearms and ammo from the world and nothing would curb violence. Just means the implement changes.
If you wished evil motives and intentions away, the world could be flooded with firearms and nobody would die from them.
That's what you get for being short sighted. You get the UK banning knives after guns. And after knives what else gets banned?
Maybe you feel comfortable living in a padded room with padded walls wearing a helmet devoid of any sharp or "dangerous" objects. That isn't for me. Nor will I allow it.
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