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Old 06-01-2018, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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What about the millions of Trump supporters in rural, flyover America who are caught up in the heroin epidemic that Donald Trump himself vowed to help? Should the Trump supporting heroin addicts receive services if they test positive for.....heroin?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...opioid-crisis/
Only if they say nice things about him.
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Old 06-01-2018, 08:00 AM
 
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They tried idiocy like this in right-wing Florida. It cost the state more money in testing than was saved by "homeless scamming the gubermint."

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/u...rug-tests.html

Get with the times: the poor are not all master scammers "working the system" - for that, turn to people like Trump, who are wealthy and never accountable for anything.

As for the homeless, a huge chunk of them need mental health care on top of drug treatment programs. People generally do not CHOOSE to be homeless, but if your mental health issues are bad enough, you may have no choice.

Typical righties: a total lack of empathy and a sick eagerness to save money over lives.



This is one of those articles and analyses that conveniently leaves out the most important number, that would be the 1600 people that refused the test. You can't fail a test you didn't take.

Typical lefty media: Either shoddy journalism or purposely deceitful


The one analysis I saw that included tthe 1600 came up with figure of something like $30 saved for every dollar spent and that was only over the very short time the testing was in place.
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Old 06-01-2018, 08:03 AM
 
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And what about those who fail the test, left in the gutter to starve to death?
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Old 06-01-2018, 08:06 AM
 
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Homeless people should be required to get drug tested to recieve any kind of charity...this would include shelters, soup kitchens, any government handout etc. Any homeless charity that doesn't drug test should lose any federal funding they recieve and their tax exempt status.

There are two reasons drug testing the homeless is vital. The first reason is it would insure that the "good" homeless...the non-drug abusers who fell on hard times, will get served. The other reason is that helping the drug using homeless enables them to continue their degenerate lifestyle. These addicts need to hit rock bottom for them to change their sinful ways.
Ridiculous. This is very short-sighted, selfish, simple-minded thinking.

Sorry, but I call it like I see it.
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Old 06-01-2018, 08:09 AM
 
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And what about those who fail the test, left in the gutter to starve to death?
Those would be the "bad homeless" the OP speaks of. They aren't human in his eyes, so it's perfectly fine to leave them to starve in the gutter. The OP has judged them unworthy of humane consideration.

Behold the era of Donald Trump. Compassion is no longer needed, welcomed or deemed a desirable attribute of humanity.

We are regressing at an alarming rate here in the U.S.
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Old 06-01-2018, 08:14 AM
 
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And what about those who fail the test, left in the gutter to starve to death?
I think they would like to do a Stalin on them but skip the death camp step and send them straight to the ovens.
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Old 06-01-2018, 08:22 AM
 
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YOU try sleeping on the street every night sober.
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Old 06-01-2018, 08:26 AM
 
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That sounds rather.....Communist.
Contribute to the motherland comrade and clean yourself up or we will send you to the worker death camps.
Get a grip. I’m talking about tents on sidewalks and in city parks.
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Old 06-01-2018, 08:33 AM
 
Location: USA
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This is one of those articles and analyses that conveniently leaves out the most important number, that would be the 1600 people that refused the test. You can't fail a test you didn't take.

Typical lefty media: Either shoddy journalism or purposely deceitful

The one analysis I saw that included tthe 1600 came up with figure of something like $30 saved for every dollar spent and that was only over the very short time the testing was in place.
I'd sooner trust an actual media source vs. right-wing internet forum claims based on some laughable "story I saw" with no backing whatsoever.

Here's the thing: drug-testing has not been proven to actually save any real money. Yes, people can game the system, but you also have states outright lying about how much money was spent on drug-testing to make their "savings" look better - it works both ways:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sh...re-recipients/

Honestly, I don't mind drug-testing them at all, except for two things:

- The ignorant claim that "most of them are druggies on welfare" is simply right-wing hyperbola not based in facts.

- What are you going to do with the ones on drugs? Are you going to get them help, or are you going to throw them in prison, thus not fixing the problem and wasting even MORE money than you'll ever save by denying them benefits?

If this whole "drug-test the homeless / people on welfare" was motivated by an actual desire to improve our society, I'd support it fully, but as long as it is just another outlet for right-wing deceit and desire to fill our prisons at a greater cost than benefits paid, I won't simply sign off on it.
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Old 06-01-2018, 08:34 AM
 
Location: USA
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And what about those who fail the test, left in the gutter to starve to death?
Nah, put them in prison forever and then ignore the huge cost of that while still trumpeting all the "savings" created by not paying them welfare; that's classic right-wing hypocrisy. Trumpet a reduction in government benefits, and then blow many times that amount on incarceration.
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