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Why should other Arab states take in non citizens? Just because they’re Arabs?
Yes.
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Originally Posted by desertdetroiter
700k Arabs were citizens of what we now call Israel. They ran away during the war and weren’t allowed to return. Why were they supposed to look for other nations to live in? Jews didn’t have to immigrate to Israel either...they could’ve stayed in Europe. Where were the Palestinian Arabs supposed to go? Their towns and villages in Palestine are their homes.
At that time tens of millions of people changed places. Arabs have 22 countries to go to. Million Jews from muslim countries also had homes there, and still they moved on with their life.
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Originally Posted by desertdetroiter
Their homes are not in Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq or some other Arab nation. Just like Jews wanted to go back to their figurative home after European persecution, Palestinian Arabs want to go back to their LITERAL homes in Palestine.
Those homes are gone. Move on like all the other nations.
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Originally Posted by desertdetroiter
What? Before 1948, there was no such nation state as Israel. That means that Israel was nothing more than a concept just like Palestine was.
I'd rather have a leaflet dropped on me than a bottle rocket.
Palestinians reward families whose sons kill Israelis. Kids are brainwashed. Ever wonder why no other countries in the Middle East invite Palestinians in as refugees?
I said that, prior to the 19th century, there were almost no Jews in Palestine.
The "Zionists" took their massive financial wealth and began going through Ottoman land title records, to try to find "absentee landlords", who lived outside of Palestine, weren't paying the taxes on the land, and in many cases didn't even know they owned land in Palestine. And this land they sold to the Jews, was being lived-on and worked by people who had lived there for decades, or centuries, and may not have even realized they didn't own the land. Basically the Jews found a legal loophole to strip the land from its rightful owners(squatters rights).
These Zionists then made a deal with the British government called the Balfour declaration, where Britain promised to give Palestine to the Jews, as long as the Jews used their connections in the financial world, to provide Britain the loans/capital to win WWI. The bankers in Britain brought the banking interests of the United States to the aid of Britain, and Britain borrowed huge sums of money to buy commodities, munitions, and other supplies from the United States.
When the money and supplies alone were insufficient for Britain to defeat Germany, it became clear to the United States and the bankers, that if Germany wins the war, America will not be paid back, and the United States found an excuse to enter the war on the side of Britain.
After WWI, Germany was forced to sign the Treaty of Versailles, where all the war debt incurred by both sides, was to be paid by Germany. This debt was owed not to Britain, but to the bankers who financed the war.
This made the bankers even richer, and the Zionists again turned to acquire new lands in Palestine through whatever means they could. And with Britain now controlling the Palestinian Mandate, hundreds of thousands of Jews began to stream into Palestine. Which led to tension between the Arabs who lived there, and the Jews who were coming in, buying up land from people who didn't even live there, and throwing off those who had lived on the lands for centuries.
The Zionists never had any interest in living with the Muslims. In those early years, they had lived largely separate from the Palestinians in "Kibbutz".
The Jews, as their numbers continued to grow, and with pushback from the native Arabs against more Jewish immigration, decided that there was no safety in remaining in the Palestinian mandate under British control, and moved to become an independent state. The British didn't immediately want to grant them a state, and even tried to alleviate tensions in Israel by trying to slow down immigration to Israel.
That upset the Zionists, who then blew up the King David Hotel, which caused the withdrawal of the British and the end of the mandate, and ultimately sparked the Civil War which the Jews eventually won, even they were not only outnumbered more than 2 to 1 in Palestine, but were surrounded by hundreds of millions of Arabs.
How did they do it? Because they had money, connections, weapons, and other support from the United States and elsewhere.
Your claim was that the Jews had a rightful claim on the land in Palestine. That is a complicated matter.
1) The Jews did live in Israel thousands of years ago. But, they had all more-or-less left Palestine until the 1800's.
2) The Jews did purchase land from absentee landlords, but these purchases were exploitative, and in many cases, using English common-law, these purchases shouldn't have been considered valid.
3) Much of the land in Palestine had been owned by "the state", and once Britain took control of Palestine, a significant proportion of the transfers were made with their assistance.
4) The vast-majority of the land given to Israel as part of the UN partition plan wasn't even owned by the Jews.
5) The Jews who came to Israel were all Zionists. Their goal then, just as it is now, is to take as much of the land as they can get, and not to live with any Palestinians.
The idea that foreigners can simply buy land in your country and then secede, is absurd in the first place, and against international law. And for these Zionists to then demand and get, more than half of the land, when they only owned only a tiny fraction of the land in the first place, is even more absurd.
Even if the claim is that, the land of the Jews was stolen from them thousand of years ago. And that Israel is rightful Jewish clay. And that, if anything, they should be given the rest of Palestine as well(and they are slowly taking it as we speak).
My point was, in a court of law, claims from thousands of years ago won't take precedence over any claim made by people who are actually alive.
I don't know how any sane man can take the side of the Zionists. Except because they hate Muslims more.
Most Americans are utterly brain washed when it comes to this issue, Israel could kill a million pallestinians tomorrow and most Americans would say it was self defense
I'd rather have a leaflet dropped on me than a bottle rocket.
Palestinians reward families whose sons kill Israelis. Kids are brainwashed. Ever wonder why no other countries in the Middle East invite Palestinians in as refugees?
And israel forces them, as military is compulsory. Jewish kids are also brainwashed in the opposite direction. There are hundreds of thousands of refugees in middle east countries. What israel would like is for countries to absorb more refugees so they can annex gaza and the west bank. They don't do it now mainly because then israel would be less than 50% jew.
Recently chile granted citizenship to palestinian refugees.
Why should other Arab states take in non citizens? Just because they’re Arabs?
700k Arabs were citizens of what we now call Israel. They ran away during the war and weren’t allowed to return. Why were they supposed to look for other nations to live in? Jews didn’t have to immigrate to Israel either...they could’ve stayed in Europe. Where were the Palestinian Arabs supposed to go? Their towns and villages in Palestine are their homes.
Their homes are not in Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq or some other Arab nation. Just like Jews wanted to go back to their figurative home after European persecution, Palestinian Arabs want to go back to their LITERAL homes in Palestine.
There were Jews before 1948 living in Arab countries such as Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Morocco, Algeria, etc. So to say that all Jews immigrated from Europe is simply not true. The Jews that had lived in Arab countries were mainly forced to leave after the establishment of modern israel and these Jews have been absorbed by Israel. So there has been a population exchange and there is no reason for the Arabs that left Palestine in 1948 to still have refugee status and they should have been absorbed by other Arab countries.
Both should be ashamed. And at least the United States has admitted to many of its faults and has tried to make amends. Israel refuses to admit anything. It continues to call its natives stone-age savages who deserve to die.
That is not true. Israel has offered many times to share the land with the Arabs, starting with the UN mandate in 1948. Read the history. You are letting your emotions cloud your intelligence.
Meh, just let them kill each other and get it over with.
I have no interest in ever going to israel or any muslim country. But this small account of people (both israelis, and palestinians) are creating great suffering in their determination to have a country without the other. They should read how much land a man needs by Tolstoy.
But the main reason people should care is because the drones, high velocity bullets and other technologies are being tested on palestinians. Then those technologies are sold all over the world to repress people.
If/when people revolt against the government we know exactly what to expect.
There were Jews before 1948 living in Arab countries such as Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Morocco, Algeria, etc. So to say that all Jews immigrated from Europe is simply not true. The Jews that had lived in Arab countries were mainly forced to leave after the establishment of modern israel and these Jews have been absorbed by Israel. So there has been a population exchange and there is no reason for the Arabs that left Palestine in 1948 to still have refugee status and they should have been absorbed by other Arab countries.
I saw the guys with the weapons cutting their way through the fences
Not peaceful demonstrators
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