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Old 06-14-2018, 05:02 AM
 
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Are men whose partners had miscarriages also "fathers" to that tissue?
Existential question, but if they are in fact the father, then, yes. I have a very dear friend who mourns his miscarried son every year. It's a tough time for him.
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Old 06-14-2018, 05:35 AM
 
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If you feel that someone else should have the right to choose an abortion, even if you personally would not (no matter what your reasons are), then you are pro-choice. Those who are pro-choice also usually do not erect barriers to access to contraception the way those who are anti-choice do, such as relentlessly campaigning to close Planned Parenthood.
No, you are pro abortion. There is pro-abortion and there is anti-abortion. Everything else is just manipulative rhetorical games. Pro-choice, pro-life, pro-birth, pro-murder, pro-forced birth...all just rhetorical tools to make one side or the other look good or bad. You either support legal abortion or you don't.
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Old 06-14-2018, 05:36 AM
 
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But you always need to look and post. LOL
These ridiculous premises, based on illogical rantings and exaggerations, must be refuted. Always.

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Do you think the government can tell you to support abortions because that is what they are doing, you know, with your tax dollars.
Now that's a lie told so many times ... Yet people who wouldn't know a fact if it bit them in the face still believe it.
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Old 06-14-2018, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Florida
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"Ahead of Father’s Day this Sunday, the pro-life organization “Save the Storks” is embarking on a powerful new video campaign, giving post-abortive men a chance to share their heartbreaking stories of how the procedure changed their lives permanently.

six-part #ChooseFatherhood social video series features four courageous men who are breaking their silence about their deeply personal abortion stories. Over 55 million men have experienced the pain, grief, heartache and guilt of abortion. Now, they are speaking out."


Abortion hurts more than just women.
Of course you notice how this tear jerker was written?
4 men....4???

55 million men may have been involved in a pregnancy that was terminated but no way, no how is there any fact that all 55 million were experiencing any "pain, grief, heartache and guilt ".

I'd wager a lot of them were not even aware and that of those that were,a great many of them only experienced relief.
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Old 06-14-2018, 06:11 AM
 
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No, you are pro abortion. There is pro-abortion and there is anti-abortion. Everything else is just manipulative rhetorical games. Pro-choice, pro-life, pro-birth, pro-murder, pro-forced birth...all just rhetorical tools to make one side or the other look good or bad. You either support legal abortion or you don't.
Excellent and clear post of the positions, and how people play language gymnastics instead of acknowledging their own beliefs.

Pro choice 100% means you support abortion. That's the "choice." Which you support.
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Old 06-14-2018, 06:14 AM
 
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If you feel that someone else should have the right to choose an abortion, even if you personally would not (no matter what your reasons are), then you are pro-choice. Those who are pro-choice also usually do not erect barriers to access to contraception the way those who are anti-choice do, such as relentlessly campaigning to close Planned Parenthood.
PP only has about 650 facilities. There are 12,000-14,000 low cost health clinics in the very same neighborhoods as PP and they offer more comprehensive care.

It would not matter if PP closed. The only thing that would change is abortions, which is PP's money maker and main business.

Pro-choice is pro abortion. That's the choice.
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Old 06-14-2018, 06:15 AM
 
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PP only has about 650 facilities. There are 12,000-14,000 low cost health clinics in the very same neighborhoods as PP and they offer more comprehensive care.

It would not matter if PP closed. The only thing that would change is abortions, which is PP's money maker and main business.

Pro-choice is pro abortion. That's the choice.
Correct. And I've posted the exact same thing numerous times.
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Old 06-14-2018, 06:19 AM
 
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Correct. And I've posted the exact same thing numerous times.
People who argue for PP never have any idea what or how many services the organization does or does not provide, the history of its founder, or how many facilities it has and where they are located.

And when you tell them the facts about this, they argue that the facts are wrong. It's stunning, really, given how readily available this information is with a quick internet search.

If you do the math say from the lower end of the number of health clinics: 12,000, PP represents just 4% of all these clinics. 4%. that's it.

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Old 06-14-2018, 06:34 AM
 
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So those Planned Parenthood clinics that don't offer abortion as one of its medical services....those are just fronts for the "real business"?
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Old 06-14-2018, 06:48 AM
 
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So those Planned Parenthood clinics that don't offer abortion as one of its medical services....those are just fronts for the "real business"?
How many are those and where are they located? In areas with redundant public health department family planning clinics?

Let's do the math... 10,000+ public health department family planning clinics. VS... 650 PP facilities, most of which are focused on providing abortion services.
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