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I am fully aware of what the perverts on the court said, but it changes nothing as they represent the age of the revived Sodom and Gomorrah that Jesus said would happen.
We have to live in the present according to the values and laws of our evolved society. If Canadian laws and values do not suit Canadians, they, like Whatcott, are welcome to live in the Philippines or any other country where the laws and values suit them better.
Jesus did indeed express love, but not in the manner that you envision love. This generation presents a feigned love. Jesus' genuine love lets hellworthy sinners and prostitutes know that they must turn from their evil deeds but your feigned love encourages their hellworthy behavior to continue because you engage in the same deeds yourself.
So now I'm a prostitute because I don't think they deserve hatred? lol k
We have to live in the present according to the values and laws of our evolved society. If Canadian laws and values do not suit Canadians, they, like Whatcott, are welcome to live in the Philippines or any other country where the laws and values suit them better.
The God of the Bible rules and reigns in the affairs of this life. While man enacts laws contrary to His ways, He has no respect for them and ultimately destroys all of it. Noah's day is a warning. So, your "evolved society" has not evolved at all. You're building in vain, but carry on if you wish.
The God of the Bible rules and reigns in the affairs of this life. While man enacts laws contrary to His ways, He has no respect for them and ultimately destroys all of it. Noah's day is a warning. So, your "evolved society" has not evolved at all. You're building in vain, but carry on if you wish.
All Western religions have a book, and all of those books have stories about how to live at the time they were written. For example, some Western religion books claim that it is forbidden to eat pork. Today, we know that this was due to trichinosis, a problem that was solved with the invention of the fridge.
What this means is that the religious story about not eating pork was relevant at the time the story was written, and now it is not. Similarly, other stories in religious books are no longer relevant. Stories about sex were undoubtedly based on venereal disease and other fatal sexually transmitted infections - check out Caligula. Today, with modern medicine and technologies, many religious book stories can be viewed as only having relevance at the time they were written.
Man adapts, laws evolve, and values change. Perhaps now it's a good time to update all the ancient religious books to reflect the great strides made in the last few thousand years.
All Western religions have a book, and all of those books have stories about how to live at the time they were written. For example, some Western religion books claim that it is forbidden to eat pork. Today, we know that this was due to trichinosis, a problem that was solved with the invention of the fridge.
What this means is that the religious story about not eating pork was relevant at the time the story was written, and now it is not. Similarly, other stories in religious books are no longer relevant. Stories about sex were undoubtedly based on venereal disease and other fatal sexually transmitted infections - check out Caligula. Today, with modern medicine and technologies, many religious book stories can be viewed as only having relevance at the time they were written.
Man adapts, laws evolve, and values change. Perhaps now it's a good time to update all the ancient religious books to reflect the great strides made in the last few thousand years.
You're in error because the Bible is no mere Book with made up stories; and, your lack of experience does not do away with it's truth. Search the Scriptures and you'll find that Jesus foretold everything that's going on nowadays, so the future is pretty bleak. Jesus is always right because He's truth.
You're in error because the Bible is no mere Book with made up stories; and, your lack of experience does not do away with it's truth. Search the Scriptures and you'll find that Jesus foretold everything that's going on nowadays, so the future is pretty bleak. Jesus is always right because He's truth.
I'm discussing homosexuality in the context of Western religions. Christianity, Islam and Judaism each have their ancient books, and there is absolutely no reason to assume that one book is superior to any other. In fact, don't they all claim that homosexuality is a big no-no?
It appears that modern society has decided that those ancient books have their place alongside law and societal values, that one does not trump the other. As such, those who want to adhere to their religious books may do so, and those who don't want to adhere to those stories may also do so. That's one of the values of Canadians: to respect the autonomy of others.
Whatcott can choose to not practice homosexuality, but he has to respect the rights of others to do otherwise. He does not have the right to promote hatred against an identifiable group in Canada. It's that simple. If he continues to violate the rights of others, he will continue to be prosecuted.
This man was stating his sincere religious beliefs, shared by most Christians, so even under Canadian law it shouldn't be hate speech
I highly doubt a liberal Canadian court would bring charges against a Muslim who stated the Islamic beliefs of gender inequality, the wife as property, the supported for arranged marriage and the hatred of Jews/Israel.
It's not a complicated idea, so I'm not sure what it is in the American psyche that seems to be unable to understand this law, even though it has been linked, and discussed many times on CD and in this thread.
You have either not read the law, or are not WANTING to understand this law for some political reason.
No one in Canada is charged with stating a belief, religious or not, if they are not actively promoting hatred.
As said, the bar is pretty high and rarely used.
A muslim can say they hate jews...or gays.. or Americans BUT if they actively start promoting hatred whereas the possibility of violence to that group then the law MAY apply.
It's not a complicated idea, so I'm not sure what it is in the American psyche that seems to be unable to understand this law, even though it has been linked, and discussed many times on CD and in this thread.
You have either not read the law, or are not WANTING to understand this law for some political reason.
No one in Canada is charged with stating a belief, religious or not, if they are not actively promoting hatred.
So, tell that to this guy;
According to The Federalist, the "safe sex" pamphlets "stated homosexuality is associated with sexually transmitted diseases, including HPV of the rectum." This, of course, is true, as evidenced by statistics from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control. The pamphlets also included criticism of Liberal party politicians, decried "Ontario’s 'perverted sex education curriculum,'" and categorized homosexual activity as sinful, while simultaneously offering salvation for such acts through Christ.
The literature "did not call on anyone to hate homosexuals, or advocate violence, or claim that all homosexuals are pedophiles," notes The Federalist.
Too bad they don't have our 1st Amendment. This is absolutely ridiculous.
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A criminal arrest warrant was put out last week for a Canadian bus driver, a Christian man named Bill Whatcott, for distributing "safe sex" pamphlets which condemned homosexuality — at a gay pride rally. This was apparently a "hate crime."
The 51-year-old has been charged with the "Wilful Promotion of Hatred against an identifiable group, namely the gay community" and faces up to two years behind bars. According to a news release from the Toronto Police Service, Whatcott was arrested in Calgary on June 22 in connection to the "Hate Crime investigation." Whatcott says he drove to the station and turned himself in.
Because you should have freedom to espouse hatred against peaceful people based on mythical religious beliefs? For what purpose? Why should this be tolerated in a peaceful and lawful society?
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lol k
BUT if they actively start promoting hatred whereas the possibility of violence to that group then the law MAY apply.
