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I don’t judge anyone. I do what I do mostly because of my own values that just happen to align with these climate change hucksters. I just believe in using less and efficiency.
And I do what I do because going to a waste transfer station is a pain in the ass and my time is valuable.
Wow an honest and accurate post.
Normally when people talk about change, what they mean is everyone else has to change, or everyone else or anyone else should have to pay for it. The perfect example and I do mean perfect is All Gore. His carbon footprint was equal to about a small town. He wasn't changing anything in regards to himself, but demanded that everyone else sacrifice and change. Your Hollywood elites do the same thing. Obama and others claim walls are bad, but surround their personal estates with walls.
The planet is hot. I live in a very hot place on the planet. My neighbor who from Belgium complains all the time about climate change and how countries like the USA need to do something about it.
My house has solar panels to make electricity. His does not.
My house uses a geothermal heat pump for A/C. His a cheap central air unit.
My house (one of the few here) double wall construction and well insulated. His block wall and no insulation not even in the attic.
I drive a Honda city. 16 km to the liter. He drives a diesel pick up.
I didn't do all this because I was worried about climate change. I did it as an investment. Everything saves me money today and tomorrow .
Yeah it's always everyone elses job to change, to spend their money, to sacrifice.
Liberals love to spend everyone elses money on their pet projects.
You do make a good point. I drive a hybrid and put efficient insulation in my home and office. I purposefully found an office that is within walking distance of my home and walk back and forth to work.
I do not think that this problem can be solved on the micro-level. It will involve global solutions.
Growing up it was said an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
More signs of global warming. I expect the same nonsense, inanities, and vacuous comments from the Global Warming denialists. The rising worldwide temperatures are what are predicted from anthropological climate change. The science is settled on this matter.
The purpose of this thread is to point out the trends. If you care about future generations, you will want action taken immediately. If not, I suppose they can just burn.
no one is suggesting that the climate is not changing, except fools and idiots. the question is, what is truly happening. some suggest that man is causing this round of climate change, others are suggesting that it is a natural occurrence, and still others suggest that man has a role in this, but argue how much of one.
but as has been noted by a number of us many times, we are in an interglacial period, and thus in a period of warming. and we have been in that period for about the last 15,000 years, with a fair period left to go.
and remember during the last interglacial period, the arctic was ice free. also note that compared to the last interglacial period this one is running 10 degrees COOLER than the last one.
I am not so fatalistic. The world came together on CFCs. As a result the ozone layer is rebuilding itself. I do not think you could reach the same agreement today despite the science because entrenched special interests would seek to undermine any agreement.
We should have stood in the Paris Accords. It was a small step but one in the right direction.
I do not have a sunny view of humankind as much as appealing to mutual self-interest. It is in our interest to solve this issue, or at this point, contain it.
Well the world is a selfish place. The Paris accords benefited just about everyone except the USA. We did have the honor and pleasure of footing a large amount of the bill though. China and India possibly the 2 worst offenders on the planet were getting a pretty good deal and off very cheaply in comparison.
The world is hot. I live in a so called developing nation. I see these people do things that our modern countries could do but don't. They don't do it due to climate change, they do it to save money. When you only make $700 a month you need to save where you can.
They recycle everything. Not out of civic duty, but because they get paid for their recyclables. They catch the rain and save it in big tanks. To use later to water their gardens during the dry season.
You want change to happen? Stop trying to appeal to people's civic duty and appeal to their wallets. Pay people for their recyclables. Give incentives to add extra insulation, to own green cars, etc. Find messengers that actually practice what they preach. Show how green and clean can actually save money, not cost more.
OK Mr Liberal --- how do you propose to end global warming? And....do be specific!!!!!
Listen, I am all for any solution that will work. Any solution proffered can be met with derision. Suffice it to say, that for acid rain, cap and trade was used quite successfully. Use it for carbon emissions.
Do not revitalize the coal industry and let it die a natural death. Market forces are moving to alternative energy why stifle that movement.
Now for many, any government assistance to the renewal energy industry is considered anathema, however, the government does subsidize the gas and oil industry with tax breaks, sweetheart leases and such.
Tax breaks for renewables should be encouraged. They were there for a while, but were removed at the behest of the fossil fuel industry, if I recall correctly.
Just a few options.
Since when are Americans fatalistic anyway? We have to reclaim the can do mantel.
Well the world is a selfish place. The Paris accords benefited just about everyone except the USA. We did have the honor and pleasure of footing a large amount of the bill though. China and India possibly the 2 worst offenders on the planet were getting a pretty good deal and off very cheaply in comparison.
The world is hot. I live in a so called developing nation. I see these people do things that our modern countries could do but don't. They don't do it due to climate change, they do it to save money. When you only make $700 a month you need to save where you can.
They recycle everything. Not out of civic duty, but because they get paid for their recyclables. They catch the rain and save it in big tanks. To use later to water their gardens during the dry season.
You want change to happen? Stop trying to appeal to people's civic duty and appeal to their wallets. Pay people for their recyclables. Give incentives to add extra insulation, to own green cars, etc. Find messengers that actually practice what they preach. Show how green and clean can actually save money, not cost more.
More signs of global warming. I expect the same nonsense, inanities, and vacuous comments from the Global Warming denialists. The rising worldwide temperatures are what are predicted from anthropological climate change. The science is settled on this matter.
The purpose of this thread is to point out the trends. If you care about future generations, you will want action taken immediately. If not, I suppose they can just burn.
What "action" would change anything? As far as records go the latest ones in Oman or whatever sultanate are unreliable. Death Valley's 128° (I think) set in 1913 or 1914 (I think) is probably the most reliable all time high and that's for the United States. Those kind of records are not often being eclipsed. Nor is NYC's 106° or NYS's 108° in Troy, set on July 9, 1936.
Listen, I am all for any solution that will work. Any solution proffered can be met with derision. Suffice it to say, that for acid rain, cap and trade was used quite successfully. Use it for carbon emissions.
Do not revitalize the coal industry and let it die a natural death. Market forces are moving to alternative energy why stifle that movement.
Now for many, any government assistance to the renewal energy industry is considered anathema, however, the government does subsidize the gas and oil industry with tax breaks, sweetheart leases and such.
Tax breaks for renewables should be encouraged. They were there for a while, but were removed at the behest of the fossil fuel industry, if I recall correctly.
Just a few options.
Since when are Americans fatalistic anyway? We have to reclaim the can do mantel.
Sure, can do some things in this country that might help - however, we have no control over China, India, Russia, and a hundred other places. I just don't see how you get anything accomplished without shutting down major parts of the world economy and going back to a farming lifestyle everywhere.
Well the world is a selfish place. The Paris accords benefited just about everyone except the USA. We did have the honor and pleasure of footing a large amount of the bill though. China and India possibly the 2 worst offenders on the planet were getting a pretty good deal and off very cheaply in comparison.
The world is hot. I live in a so called developing nation. I see these people do things that our modern countries could do but don't. They don't do it due to climate change, they do it to save money. When you only make $700 a month you need to save where you can.
They recycle everything. Not out of civic duty, but because they get paid for their recyclables. They catch the rain and save it in big tanks. To use later to water their gardens during the dry season.
You want change to happen? Stop trying to appeal to people's civic duty and appeal to their wallets. Pay people for their recyclables. Give incentives to add extra insulation, to own green cars, etc. Find messengers that actually practice what they preach. Show how green and clean can actually save money, not cost more.
I agree with almost all of this post. No solution will be perfect, but I can support most of your recommendations.
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