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Old 07-09-2018, 02:11 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Originally Posted by Good4Nothin View Post
The same Democrats who are screaming about this never noticed equally outrageous things done under Democrat administrations.

They are extremely selective, extremely biased.

Do you really think Obama's administration was opposing and controlling the big food and drug companies? Or the big banks?

How come you didn't go crazy when the Obama administration failed to punish big bankers when they stole unimaginable amounts of money? When they almost destroyed the world economy? No, they were rewarded instead. I didn't hear the faintest criticism from any Democrat.

Now they literally go nuts about any little thing.

You really don't have a clue what happened when the banking crisis happened just before Obama took office. The banking failures were on Bush's plate, not Obama's. Obama's administration saved us from a world wide depression. Banking regulations that Obama put into place to keep a crisis like that from happening again were recently lifted by the Trump administration. If you want to be outraged over that, be outraged over that. Congratulations, you just hijacked your own thread.
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Old 07-09-2018, 02:21 PM
 
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You really don't have a clue what happened when the banking crisis happened just before Obama took office. The banking failures were on Bush's plate, not Obama's. Obama's administration saved us from a world wide depression. Banking regulations that Obama put into place to keep a crisis like that from happening again were recently lifted by the Trump administration. If you want to be outraged over that, be outraged over that. Congratulations, you just hijacked your own thread.
I know when the crisis happened. Bush didn't cause it and Obama didn't cause it. The big banks caused it, and they were not punished, by Bush or by Obama.

How can you possibly know that Obama's administration saved us from a world wide depression? You have no idea if their policies made things better or worse, or what could have happened if they did something different. It's just your love of Democrats that makes you feel that way.
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Old 07-09-2018, 02:30 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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I know when the crisis happened. Bush didn't cause it and Obama didn't cause it. The big banks caused it, and they were not punished, by Bush or by Obama.

How can you possibly know that Obama's administration saved us from a world wide depression? You have no idea if their policies made things better or worse, or what could have happened if they did something different. It's just your love of Democrats that makes you feel that way.

How do you punish the big banks for doing what was legal at the time they did what they did?
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Old 07-09-2018, 02:46 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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Originally Posted by Good4Nothin View Post
The same Democrats who are screaming about this never noticed equally outrageous things done under Democrat administrations.

They are extremely selective, extremely biased.

Do you really think Obama's administration was opposing and controlling the big food and drug companies? Or the big banks?

How come you didn't go crazy when the Obama administration failed to punish big bankers when they stole unimaginable amounts of money? When they almost destroyed the world economy? No, they were rewarded instead. I didn't hear the faintest criticism from any Democrat.

Now they literally go nuts about any little thing.
The Obama administration is not the topic under discussion, and your post is an excellent example of whataboutism. I would genuinely like to understand the U.S. delegation's thinking in opposing the resolution and further why they would have gone to such lengths to stop it. Threatening economic sanctions against a small South American country? Over something as universally approved of as breastfeeding? Why? What did we have to gain from that position?
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Old 07-09-2018, 02:55 PM
 
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That's fine for you and anyone else here. Anyone who can afford access to post here probably isn't affected so much by this. This is most important for 3rd world countries and poverty stricken areas where there is limited access to clean water. Breastfeeding is usually safe, nutritious and free. Formula is expensive and it's dangerous if the water isn't clean. And once the mother's milk dries up, there isn't much choice. This really is an important issue for much of the world even if it's just a joke in the U.S.

Let's worry only about the U.S., which is NOT a third world country...and how to keep it that way.

Like I posted, I (and the friends I mentioned) gave birth during the Reagan administration (early to mid 80's). We were of the attitude that if you breastfed you were: a.) A Hippie Dippy earth mother type with unshaved legs and armpits, stringy hair and Bergenstock sandals (or fantasizing about being one); or b.) Too LOW INCOME to afford formula. We didn't want to breastfeed because we thought it would enlarge our breasts to balloon size and leak all over our clothes (I had a cousin who this happened to all the time). Our DH's could get up and help with the nightly feedings so we could sleep. We didn't have to leave the room or "cover up" when it was time to feed. And we gave our kids solids WAY sooner than they recommend now, as our mothers did for us. We lived. And thrived. So did our kids who we did the same for.

Fast forward to oldest DD. NOT an "Earth Mother" type by any means, and definitely NOT low income. She breastfed two kids, oldest until age two. But as far as I can see, they are no healthier than their mom or aunt. What I CAN see is how exhausted she was, how she battled with her weight because of lack of exercise and a high calorie diet, and how she literally had a baby latched on her boob for two solid years, sometimes every hour on the hour. She hadn't had a complete night's sleep in four years.

Once, I saw her DH so worried and upset about how exhausted she was, he was ready to go out to pick up a can of formula at the Rite Aid.
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Old 07-09-2018, 03:01 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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Let's worry only about the U.S., which is NOT a third world country...and how to keep it that way.

Like I posted, I (and the friends I mentioned) gave birth during the Reagan administration (early to mid 80's). We were of the attitude that if you breastfed you were: a.) A Hippie Dippy earth mother type with unshaved legs and armpits, stringy hair and Bergenstock sandals (or fantasizing about being one); or b.) Too LOW INCOME to afford formula. We didn't want to breastfeed because we thought it would enlarge our breasts to balloon size and leak all over our clothes (I had a cousin who this happened to all the time). Our DH's could get up and help with the nightly feedings so we could sleep. We didn't have to leave the room or "cover up" when it was time to feed. And we gave our kids solids WAY sooner than they recommend now, as our mothers did for us. We lived. And thrived. So did our kids who we did the same for.

Fast forward to oldest DD. NOT an "Earth Mother" type by any means, and definitely NOT low income. She breastfed two kids, oldest until age two. But as far as I can see, they are no healthier than their mom or aunt. What I CAN see is how exhausted she was, how she battled with her weight because of lack of exercise and a high calorie diet, and how she literally had a baby latched on her boob for two solid years, sometimes every hour on the hour. She hadn't had a complete night's sleep in four years.

Once, I saw her DH so worried and upset about how exhausted she was, he was ready to go out to pick up a can of formula at the Rite Aid.
That's not typically the result of breastfeeding, extended or otherwise. Why wasn't she able to exercise, and why wasn't she eating a healthy diet? Something else was going on with your daughter and/or grandchild. A woman is not nursing on the hour every hour around the clock for two years unless there's a problem. After about six months, nursing slows down considerably, and after a year, if the child is making the usual progress toward eating solid foods, nursing is only happening a couple of times a day. At two years, she might be nursing only a couple of times a week.
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Old 07-09-2018, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Let's worry only about the U.S., which is NOT a third world country...and how to keep it that way.

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So you are saying that the U.S. delegation shouldn’t be interfering with messaging about breastfeeding in other countries?

Agreed.
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Old 07-09-2018, 03:05 PM
 
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His tweet:

The failing NY Times Fake News story today about breast feeding must be called out. The U.S. strongly supports breast feeding but we don’t believe women should be denied access to formula. Many women need this option because of malnutrition and poverty.

There, what more do you want.
Except that nobody, at any point in time, suggested that "women should be denied access to formula". For chrissake, can't the guy be honest for like 24 hours just effin' once in his life?
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Old 07-09-2018, 03:09 PM
 
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This post was not about whether breastfeeding is better for health. Everyone knows that it is. Obviously.
So the US delegation to WHO is defending the less-healthy option. And that doesn't get a reaction from you?

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If a Democrat administration had done exactly the same thing, they would not have noticed.
- yet this does?
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Old 07-09-2018, 03:33 PM
 
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That's not typically the result of breastfeeding, extended or otherwise. Why wasn't she able to exercise, and why wasn't she eating a healthy diet? Something else was going on with your daughter and/or grandchild. A woman is not nursing on the hour every hour around the clock for two years unless there's a problem. After about six months, nursing slows down considerably, and after a year, if the child is making the usual progress toward eating solid foods, nursing is only happening a couple of times a day. At two years, she might be nursing only a couple of times a week.
My daughter owns a health food business. Believe me, she eats healthy. Takes all her supplements. At the time she became pregnant with youngest son, she had weaned oldest who had just turned two and long since had her figure back. Youngest son was constantly hungry and demanding, nursing every hour on the hour. She was advised to increase her calories to keep up with the needed milk production. This prevented her weight loss, and with a crying latched baby she was unable to go to the gym. I spent every weekend at their house for the first year of his life, and I know!!!! He's now 20 months old, but still cries for "boob". I tell her, "Wean him!!!" He's with me most of the time during the week and doesn't even ask for it, but when his mom comes home from her business...he wants it, constantly, all night long. I say cut the boob supply off and be done with it.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone by admitting to using formula (I'm not ashamed of it)...but a few weeks after oldest DD's birth I was back in my pre-pregnancy clothes and bras (and my bikini in less than two months). On the other hand, a cousin who breastfed had watermelon sized boobs, was leaking milk, and still wearing her husband's shirts until almost the baby's first birthday. That soured me on breastfeeding (no pun intended).
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