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Old 04-26-2019, 10:27 AM
 
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Old 04-26-2019, 10:35 AM
 
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This, X100. A country's first duty is to its own citizens, this is what the globalist crowd still doesn't get. The solution to the employment woes in massive populated countries like China, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Nigeria isn't to open flood-gates to their excess labor. That just drives down wages and job opportunities for everyone closer and closer to slavery levels, making everyone miserable except the exploiter class like Gates, Zuckerberg and the Disney execs who tried to bring in H-1B indentured servants, driving the race to the bottom and turning 99% of the population into serfs. The solution is to keep labor and wage standards high, and provide whatever guidance needed to help China, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh and the others to raise their wages and standards and employ their own citizens, not dump them on the First World and lower their quality of life. This is Europe's policy, American techs and programmers can go there to work and we're treated well, but we must be imported for actual skills shortages, paid the local wage and not imported simply as cheap labor, any employer trying to violate this gets a prison term. Even my own Filipino relatives, no doubt grateful for opportunity to work in the USA, have understood from Day 1 that ultimately the solution to Philippines' struggles is for the country to improve and develop its own labor market and employ its own people, and they even use their remittances to help create jobs in the Philippines. That is the only solution to this, the US can't be a labor market dumping ground for the world amid corruption and incompetence of foreign governments employ their own people.

Below is an argument that very few people get due to their internal bias.

1. A country's first duty is towards its own citizens who are competent and want to work towards the betterment of the country.

2. The next in line would be anyone who wants to work for its betterment.

3. The rest

Due to bias, people think that bucket 3 should come before bucket 2

A person who is a citizen has a huge advantage over immigrants. You may call it first mover advantage or whatever.
They know what works and what doesn't work in this country.
They have been here their whole life. Their parents have been here their whole life.

If they can't compete with an immigrant with restrictions, you should let the immigrant to go ahead and work towards the betterment of the society instead of pulling him back. I hope its a fair point.
 
Old 04-26-2019, 12:12 PM
 
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If they can't compete with an immigrant with restrictions, you should let the immigrant to go ahead and work towards the betterment of the society instead of pulling him back. I hope its a fair point.
I wont agree completely. Companies like IBM, Accenture, HP etc hire in 1000s in India . Instead they could hire a portion of it here. It is costly for them. Recently I read an article where it said HP, IBM paid no taxes this year.

Corporate interests and trade dictate everything and as usual common people suffer amidst all these.

Finally , You will get a Sql server error here. "They dont have to be here in the first place "
 
Old 04-26-2019, 12:23 PM
 
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So now Americans are entitled for thinking we should regulate entry into our country?


Someone here is entitled and it isn't us.


We owe you nothing. Nobody would care if you went back home.
You can't send them back home.
You won't even have internet without them.

The entire U.S., business industry will fall flat if Indian IT developers are sent back home.

We don't have enough technical people to take on millions of high paying jobs that will be created if the Indians are sent home.





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Old 04-26-2019, 09:56 PM
 
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I wont agree completely. Companies like IBM, Accenture, HP etc hire in 1000s in India . Instead they could hire a portion of it here. It is costly for them. Recently I read an article where it said HP, IBM paid no taxes this year.

Corporate interests and trade dictate everything and as usual common people suffer amidst all these.

Finally , You will get a Sql server error here. "They dont have to be here in the first place "
You are mixing 2 different things.

Offshore is a different ball game and we aren't discussing that aspect here.

H1B is the first line of defense against jobs going offshore.
 
Old 04-27-2019, 06:13 AM
 
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You can't send them back home.
You won't even have internet without them.

The entire U.S., business industry will fall flat if Indian IT developers are sent back home.

We don't have enough technical people to take on millions of high paying jobs that will be created if the Indians are sent home.





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What is up with so many Germans in New Mexico ??
 
Old 04-27-2019, 06:17 AM
 
Location: World
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Originally Posted by crazyforger View Post
Below is an argument that very few people get due to their internal bias.

1. A country's first duty is towards its own citizens who are competent and want to work towards the betterment of the country.

2. The next in line would be anyone who wants to work for its betterment.

3. The rest

Due to bias, people think that bucket 3 should come before bucket 2

A person who is a citizen has a huge advantage over immigrants. You may call it first mover advantage or whatever.
They know what works and what doesn't work in this country.
They have been here their whole life. Their parents have been here their whole life.

If they can't compete with an immigrant with restrictions, you should let the immigrant to go ahead and work towards the betterment of the society instead of pulling him back. I hope its a fair point.

IT majors, Corporations will canvass for work visas, H1B visas, Asylum quota, illegal workers.



But no Big Business or Media house will ever support Green Card / Citizenships. In that case, the hold/control over workers and profiteering due to cheap labour goes away.
 
Old 04-28-2019, 12:09 PM
 
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What is up with so many Germans in New Mexico ??

Heh, that's weird, really good question and most likely some weird error. I've been around Albuquerque and outside of Mexicans, there are tons of people from El Salvador and Guatemala, which shouldn't be too surprising for border state. Very, very few Germans, if anything among Europeans there are a lot more Brits and Irish than Germans. Maybe retirees, but even then Brits would way outnumber Germans there. NM doesn't keep stats as aggressively as other states so this might just be outdated info from like decades ago that never got revised. Or maybe the Salvadorans and Guatemalans illegal so aren't counted, so looks like so few immigrants other than Mexicans that some random nationality might pop up.
 
Old 04-28-2019, 03:10 PM
 
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Possibly they mixed it with ancestry. It is unlikely to have maximum number of immigrants born in Germany and living in New Mexico.
Data of immigrants is often unreliable. Are they counting 1) ancestry 2) US citizens who were born in other country 3) Green card holders but living in USA 4) visa holders like student 5) asylum seekers 6) illegals . Add their family members too. Not everyone is counted thru census or survey. Little record is kept of people who entered legally but are now out of status. Or those who entered illegally .
 
Old 04-28-2019, 04:46 PM
 
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I wont agree completely. Companies like IBM, Accenture, HP etc hire in 1000s in India . Instead they could hire a portion of it here. It is costly for them. Recently I read an article where it said HP, IBM paid no taxes this year.

Corporate interests and trade dictate everything and as usual common people suffer amidst all these.

Finally , You will get a Sql server error here. "They dont have to be here in the first place "
I would think the Repubs and Dems would agree on one thing.
The Dems usually speak out against the military spending and the Repubs speak out against globalism.

Why not push for bringing our military back to protecting our nations borders rather than protecting the globalists interests abroad?

If China makes a mess in Asia, the corporations that sold out our country want feel so safe there when all hell breaks lose. They will be on their own and have to pay for their own defense.

They do not owe us anything, but we sure as hell do not owe them anything either.

Oh, and throw the dam bastards out of our government.
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