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Old 08-04-2018, 07:46 PM
 
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State Response to FOIA Lawsuit Questions ATF Arms Export Criminality

State Response to FOIA Lawsuit Questions ATF Arms Export Criminality

“Did the State Department issue the Justice Department a license or a written waiver in order to allow for the transfer of thousands of weapons across the U.S.-Mexico border?” an internal Oct. 31, 2011 email anticipating questions for closed hearings with the full Senate and House asked (see pg. 10 of response, below).


“Under the Arms Export Control Act the Justice Department was required to receive a written waiver from the State Department to account for their intent to cause arms to be exported to drug cartels in Mexico.

“If no such waiver was received, Justice Department officials have violated the law,” the inquiry continued. “And you would agree with that, correct?”

If an answer was provided to those questions, it is not reflected in the 100 page June 29 response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed against State by attorney Stephen Stamboulieh representing Kent Terry, the brother of slain Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, and me. State’s response prior to this has been essentially non-responsive, to include material not asked for, copies of material already widely and publicly available, blank pages and copies of heavily-redacted documents where it’s impossible to tell who said what to whom.

This latest response, while hardly candid and comprehensive, offers glimpses of previously unseen internal concerns, and the question of Arms Export Control Act violations goes to the heart of what our FIOA was attempting to determine. It actually, and for the first time, officially discusses concerns raised in July 2011:

Did Fast & Furious violate the Arms Export Control Act?” attorney and author David T. Hardy asks on his Of Arms and the Law blog. He’s referring to the Arms Export Control Act that “authorizes the President to define defense articles and regulate their export.”

There’s no exemption from the State Department permit requirement for “official use” since no one is admitting walked guns are part of approved U.S. foreign policy, so the bottom line seems to be: Any person who willfully violates these provisions “shall upon conviction be fined for each violation not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.” Hardy also notes that U.S. Code also includes provisions for “principals” who “induce” or “willfully cause” offenses, so presumably those who did not physically walk guns but nonetheless induced lawbreaking could be in for a world of hurt if caught.

That understanding is reflected in another item appearing in State’s document production from the Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs with the Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs (see pg. 40) “prepared for the Secretary’s upcoming budget testimony”:

When did the State Department find out about Fast and Furious, and what was the Department’s role? Were you aware that Operation Fast and Furious was part of Project Gunrunner?

Put another way, what did Hillary Clinton know and when did she know it? If the answer is she knew, then where are the authorizing documents and why was the ATF attaché to Mexico kept in the dark and told to “stand down” (see pg. 36 of Joint Staff Report) when he found out? If the answer is Clinton did not know and no such authorizing documents exist, why have charges not been filed against ATF officials as “principals” who “induced” or “willfully caused” offenses?

Also of direct interest to the FOIA inquiry is an email forwarded by Kevin M. O’Reilly at State (See page 36 of response) reporting on an Amnesty International-backed letter to the president by that, among other things, recommended:

“Expand the reporting rule for assault weapons that is currently in effect for the border state” and
“Ratify the Arms Trade Treaty recently approved by the UN General Assembly.”
O’Reilly’s inclusion is relevant because requests for communications involving him have met repeated dead ends over the years. He was the National Security Council North American Affairs Director, with a White House office, who got information from the Phoenix SAC about gun running operations along with the disclaimer “You didn’t get this from me.

They moved O’Reilly out of country to a State Department position in Iraq when House Oversight initially wanted to talk to him, he declined through his lawyer to speak with the Office of Inspector General, and finally, Barack Obama’s White House Counsel told Oversight and Judiciary they were not going to allow O’Reilly to speak with them.

Why?
That’s part of what we’re trying to find out, and despite specifically asking, State’s latest response continues to avoid the issue.

A lot of noise has been made in recent months about the Department of Justice giving up more Fast and Furious documents to the House Oversight Committee. Those documents will not address any of this, because no one else has been asking about the issues raised in our FOIA.

Until such time as someone with power and reach gets serious about going after lawbreaking officials on criminal charges for an operation with an untold (and still accumulating) death count, all we will continue to hear is noise. No one will be held truly accountable.

So. Rules only apply to us plebs?
The federal alphabet soup bureaucracies can function above the law?
The government and it's agents should be the only ones with guns?

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Old 08-04-2018, 07:49 PM
 
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Yeah, this is one of the many scandals Obama never had in his 2 terms.

Don't believe it?
Just ask him.

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Old 08-04-2018, 08:10 PM
 
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Yeah, this is one of the many scandals Obama never had in his 2 terms.

Don't believe it?
Just ask him.

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Might have been Eric Holders brainwashing in effect...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=0nM0asnCXD0
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Old 08-04-2018, 08:15 PM
 
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I always figured many members of Congress were being paid off by the drug cartels who needed more guns for their "business.' It logically explains their reluctance to close the border.
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Old 08-05-2018, 12:01 AM
 
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I always figured many members of Congress were being paid off by the drug cartels who needed more guns for their "business.' It logically explains their reluctance to close the border.
I think it goes much deeper than we could ever imagine!

I thought it was very suspicious when the DEA and other narco police started cracking down on opioid prescription drugs, doctors and pharma companies, but it makes sense, the powerful drug cartels would see this as competition and naturally want them to go away. I have a sneaky feeling the cartels ordered the DEA and US Govt to crack down on their competition, make sure, if addicts want opioids, they can only get it from ONE source...them! That also explains why the pharma industry didnt try to legally challenge the new laws, they were going to loose billions once they drugs were regulated to the point of being nearly impossible to get, but they knew the cartels were behind this, so they kept quiet and got in line.

If you go beyond that and look at all the laws and regulations the DEA has had a part in creating or changing, they all benefit the illegal drug trade and the cartels, (keeping ALL drugs as illegal as possible is great for the cartels) I dont think it got this way by coincidence.
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Old 08-05-2018, 01:23 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Nixon's legacy lives on!
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Old 08-05-2018, 01:51 PM
 
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I think it goes much deeper than we could ever imagine!

I thought it was very suspicious when the DEA and other narco police started cracking down on opioid prescription drugs, doctors and pharma companies, but it makes sense, the powerful drug cartels would see this as competition and naturally want them to go away. I have a sneaky feeling the cartels ordered the DEA and US Govt to crack down on their competition, make sure, if addicts want opioids, they can only get it from ONE source...them! That also explains why the pharma industry didnt try to legally challenge the new laws, they were going to loose billions once they drugs were regulated to the point of being nearly impossible to get, but they knew the cartels were behind this, so they kept quiet and got in line.

If you go beyond that and look at all the laws and regulations the DEA has had a part in creating or changing, they all benefit the illegal drug trade and the cartels, (keeping ALL drugs as illegal as possible is great for the cartels) I dont think it got this way by coincidence.
Considering if you ran guns across the border that's a million dollar fine and 10 years per each weapon... and the bureaucracies get to do it and get away with it...
Yeah.
Follow the rules citizen. Rules are for thee, not me.
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