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That is the least amazon cares about. At least half of their workers are temporary workers, and they are let go and rehired all the time to get away paying them less.
Value and money is not the same thing, you seem to be confusing the two. Teachers provide great value to social life, they are constantly underpaid. If you notice schools have increased their administration staff, in comparison to teachers. While at the same time the quality of education has gone down.
Let's get more into values. People putting the products in boxes in the U.S. are getting a lot more money than the people in China that actually MADE the da** thing. Aren't those foreign folks being underpaid? Of course they are.
So while it is clear that skills very widely our necessities are about the same. We all need food, shelter, basic things, entertainment, etc. I am not advocating a communist system in which everyone should be paid the same, but skills is not the only parameter.
If you take out need out the question you end up with what I mentioned earlier. Foods that don't nurture human beings, but cheap foods with no nutrition value, but are good for shelf life and profits. Overpriced housing, health system and the rest of life. News that don't inform, but are more interesting in making a profit. An education system that heavily en-debt students and is not very useful after all. Sounds like a slowly decaying society.
The wealth there is in the present time is a consequence of many years of science, art and many incredible people from the past. Even if you just take the present time, big businesses get subsidies, get all the roads they need, infrastructure and very favorable lease from governments so they can be more "competitive". But when it comes to profits, well, in this case only the cunning marketing guys get well rewarded.
I don't mean "happy" like they skip down the halls at work. I mean happy in the sense that they don't feel like they need to leave to find another job, because as I said, its expensive to replace non-happy workers who leave.
I can't help it if "values" don't have a monetary value that people are willing to throw cash at. Its a nice thought, but its not how most of the business world works.
I'm all about having quality news, food, education, etc...but those are choices that one makes for themselves and shouldn't be waiting for someone else (especially in government) to provide for them.
That isn't the argument. The argument is that the pay is still not a livable wage and again, why shouldn't companies that have received Socialist welfare programs for years more equitably spread that around?
Amazon is not worth anywhere near what it is today without these Socialist actions.
Facts not in evidence. We no longer have all the well paying jobs to see if people could fulfill them. You are arguing that people with a high school education here could not do the job that rice farmers in China are doing. You like so many others are simply filled with hate for anyone you see as not you.
If you don't make enough money to live on, then you need to improve your skills, improve your performance, improve your education, seek a new job, lower your expenses, or seek a new career. If not just one of those things, many of those things. Employers are not required to pay "living wages" as that is just a moving target that doesn't even reflect how the labor market works.
Please, with the "facts not in evidence" as a brush off. We spend ~$160K for k-12th grade educations, yet the end result is that these same people cant even find jobs that will allow them to earn a significant amount of salary or wages above that figure? Thats an enormous wasted investment in our future. And I don't mean it shouldnt be spent or should be cut, I mean its obviously being spent poorly and inefficiently.
And you can shove it, I don't have hate for people that are different than me. I have hate for our politicians that string these people along with false promises, terrible government programs, and the complete mis-use of their tax dollars. We all deserve to do better, but the only way we get there is with much less of the status quo from the government.
#2 and #5 wealthiest people in the US are both college drop-outs, thus have only HS degrees.
What makes both different is that they were true innovators, attracted venture capital, formed their own businesses, attracted talent and took it public.
Shareholders elect the Board of Directors and usually appoint corporate officers. Their objective is about increasing shareholder value. Many public companies award employees with warrants to buy shares.
Most people don’t work for a publicly- traded company.
Employees with a slave mentality tend to thrive on a “them ( owners/ shareholders) vs us ( slaves)†thing as opposed to competition vs our business.
In all fairness those are 2 out of 300,000,000+ people,s o statistically its not going to work for everyone. There is some factor of luck and brilliance involved too.
Totally agree about that slave mentality though, its terrible. The whole "us against them" thing doesn't help anyone, its a defeatist attitude.
If you don't make enough money to live on, then you need to improve your skills, improve your performance, improve your education, seek a new job, lower your expenses, or seek a new career. If not just one of those things, many of those things. Employers are not required to pay "living wages" as that is just a moving target that doesn't even reflect how the labor market works.
For the 500th time (and which you and others continue to ignore) this is first of all NOT about the individual and these other careers are GONE. The same companies that have benefited from the Socialist market programs have sent them overseas.
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Please, with the "facts not in evidence" as a brush off. We spend ~$160K for k-12th grade educations, yet the end result is that these same people cant even find jobs that will allow them to earn a significant amount of salary or wages above that figure? Thats an enormous wasted investment in our future. And I don't mean it shouldnt be spent or should be cut, I mean its obviously being spent poorly and inefficiently.
The jobs are GONE. Are you going to simply continue to ignore that?
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And you can shove it, I don't have hate for people that are different than me. I have hate for our politicians that string these people along with false promises, terrible government programs, and the complete mis-use of their tax dollars. We all deserve to do better, but the only way we get there is with much less of the status quo from the government.
The programs that enrich the already rich are a misuse of the government. Bernie is condemning that but you are condemning Bernie.
For the 500th time (and which you and others continue to ignore) this is first of all NOT about the individual and these other careers are GONE. The same companies that have benefited from the Socialist market programs have sent them overseas.
The jobs are GONE. Are you going to simply continue to ignore that?
The programs that enrich the already rich are a misuse of the government. Bernie is condemning that but you are condemning Bernie.
Interesting, the jobs that kids currently in K-12 would get are gone? Your crystal ball must be pretty damn strong. You prove my point though. The current educational system is far too inadequate to prepare kids for the future, but keep throwing that $12K a year per student down a hole and hope for things to change.
Interesting, the jobs that kids currently in K-12 would get are gone? Your crystal ball must be pretty damn strong. You prove my point though. The current educational system is far too inadequate to prepare kids for the future, but keep throwing that $12K a year per student down a hole and hope for things to change.
Prepare them for what? I ask this over and over. For what? The jobs they once were prepared for are gone.
In all fairness those are 2 out of 300,000,000+ people,s o statistically its not going to work for everyone. There is some factor of luck and brilliance involved too.
Totally agree about that slave mentality though, its terrible. The whole "us against them" thing doesn't help anyone, its a defeatist attitude.
Agree that it's not statistically meaningful. I should have emphasized " innovation" because that's the rarity and the real difference.
Prepare them for what? I ask this over and over. For what? The jobs they once were prepared for are gone.
Prepare for what exactly?
Well, unlike many here I wont pretend I'm an expert in a certain field, and education is one of those fields, but I can give you a few observations:
What they are doing now obviously doesn't work, why continue down the same path?
What about a significantly heavier focus on STEM
What about a significantly stronger focus on entrepreneurship? (fight those big bad corporations, ya know?)
What about a bigger focus on personal finance so kids can be more prepared to get through a tough economy
What if we stopped making kids think that college was the only answer?
Again, I'm not an educator, nor am I a car mechanic, but when I see something is clearly broken I know it needs to get fixed by a professional. So while I don't have the answers, I do know the current model is way out of wack.
Agree that it's not statistically meaningful. I should have emphasized " innovation" because that's the rarity and the real difference.
Innovation, but I'd also say drive and tolerance for risk probably play a huge role. Not everyone is born with those things and they are nearly impossible to teach.
Well, unlike many here I wont pretend I'm an expert in a certain field, and education is one of those fields, but I can give you a few observations:
What they are doing now obviously doesn't work, why continue down the same path?
Because you say so? It isn't working why? Because high school grads are not able to land non existing jobs?
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What about a significantly heavier focus on STEM
What about a significantly stronger focus on entrepreneurship? (fight those big bad corporations, ya know?)
What about a bigger focus on personal finance so kids can be more prepared to get through a tough economy
What if we stopped making kids think that college was the only answer?
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Again, I'm not an educator, nor am I a car mechanic, but when I see something is clearly broken I know it needs to get fixed by a professional. So while I don't have the answers, I do know the current model is way out of wack.
You've not done much to enforce your belief. For your belief to be valid there would have to be many well paying jobs going unfilled because there weren't enough qualified people. That is not happening. Where the rare good paying job has openings, there are people lined up for them and there is no problem filling them.
We have a long list of qualified people but no jobs to give them. People are waiting years trying to get in.
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