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Old 09-08-2018, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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You and the other tiny percent of citizens that believe that nonsense will have to keep hoping.
MSM brainwashing keeps these very moderate ideas under the hood in favor of extreme pro-state beliefs. The more direct action there is in workplaces, the more people will understand they don’t need the private industry or the state.
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Old 09-08-2018, 10:24 PM
 
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MSM brainwashing keeps these very moderate ideas under the hood in favor of extreme pro-state beliefs. The more direct action there is in workplaces, the more people will understand they don’t need the private industry or the state.
Yeah, you keep believing that "the media" is keeping radical socialism down, and not it's own bloody history as well as mankind's natural disposition towards freedom and private property.
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Old 09-09-2018, 07:48 AM
 
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The ones they are qualified for, or alternatively start your own business, start Amazon, build an app, build a website, clean houses, mow lawns, become a small brewer, wash cars, be smarter than me and figure out something even better. There is an endless list of ways to earn money in this country.
So, no answer. A small number of people can do what you state to make decent money. You don't make much with most of the things you note and only a limited number of those types of jobs.
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Old 09-09-2018, 07:51 AM
 
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No, I am for Two Way Employment at Will.

If one does not think he/she makes Fair Market Value, they should be job-hopping in a great market.

My corp has counter offered 5 who quit. In 3 cases, the new corp went higher still. In all 5, we lost the employee.
Again, that works for a very limited number of people. That is not the discussion. I can drive trough town and there are quite a few "help wanted" signs out. They are all low paying jobs.
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Old 09-09-2018, 07:53 AM
 
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All the hatred Bernie gets from the left in favor of clinton and other war criminals shows me there is no real leftist movement in this country.
Bernie had very large rallies. Hillary had none. What you are saying is that overall partisan (D)'s and partisan (R)'s have little difference.
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Old 09-09-2018, 09:17 AM
 
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Hopefully real socialism and the principles of mutual aid will come into this country's mainstream and people will finally fight back against capitalism.
This is the most telling and insightful post from you to date. You want a system based on socialism here in the US, but the best you will do is "hope" for it, when meanwhile the reality is you can put in the work and effort to go to a country where its been implemented, yet you dont. Sounds like you aren't so willing to put ANY effort into getting things that you want....hence the desire for socialism so someone can coddle you.
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Old 09-09-2018, 09:23 AM
 
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This is the most telling and insightful post from you to date. You want a system based on socialism here in the US, but the best you will do is "hope" for it, when meanwhile the reality is you can put in the work and effort to go to a country where its been implemented, yet you dont. Sounds like you aren't so willing to put ANY effort into getting things that you want....hence the desire for socialism so someone can coddle you.
Tariff's, bail outs, Social Security, Medicare, roads, military, etc. It's long been implemented here.
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Old 09-09-2018, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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This is the most telling and insightful post from you to date. You want a system based on socialism here in the US, but the best you will do is "hope" for it, when meanwhile the reality is you can put in the work and effort to go to a country where its been implemented, yet you dont. Sounds like you aren't so willing to put ANY effort into getting things that you want....hence the desire for socialism so someone can coddle you.
Socialism is a wide term, there is authoritarian socialism which is not something I care for. There is other free forms of socialism such as anarcho-syndicalism which takes place at the grassroots level, not the state level. It has worked before and it will work again.
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Old 09-09-2018, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Yeah, you keep believing that "the media" is keeping radical socialism down, and not it's own bloody history as well as mankind's natural disposition towards freedom and private property.
Read Mutual Aid: A factor of evolution, anarchist communism is the root of all human civilization.
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Old 09-09-2018, 09:32 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Tariff's, bail outs, Social Security, Medicare, roads, military, etc. It's long been implemented here.
Conservatives will never admit that and continue to demonize the word 'socialism" and all those who dare utter it.

Which seems to me it's just mostly well-regulated capitalism but with programs like Medicare (for all), etc.
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