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Old 09-08-2018, 03:18 AM
 
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It's well recorded from the transition between feudalism to capitalism.

Owners of the capital use labor to make money (meaning the value per capita of each persons labor has to be more than what they are paid). They use the profit from that labor to build on the money/capital investments they already have.

They make more money, and in return control more capital limiting the freedom of each individual worker further.
As I said, flawed premise. Value and worth are not finite resources.
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Old 09-08-2018, 04:46 AM
 
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So you mean in demand as in skills capital owners think will make them the most money, not skills with tangible results.
Skills......like in manufacturing televisions and computers.
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Old 09-08-2018, 04:48 AM
 
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Have you ever watched Charlie Brown cartoons? The teacher voice was always my favorite.
That's what I hear when I ask what jobs millions of people are supposed to be seeking out. Tell us.
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Old 09-08-2018, 06:46 AM
 
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As I said, flawed premise. Value and worth are not finite resources.
BINGO.

New industries emerge all the time, with little itty bitty start ups adding capital value and labor worth-starting with their own labor.
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Old 09-08-2018, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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BINGO.

New industries emerge all the time, with little itty bitty start ups adding capital value and labor worth-starting with their own labor.
I already covered this some pages ago, but most innovations/inventions are a different usage of the same resources we use, and the few times it extends beyond that, the rule of currency still applies so most of the new capital that comes from it is quickly centralized.
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Old 09-08-2018, 09:58 AM
 
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That's what I hear when I ask what jobs millions of people are supposed to be seeking out. Tell us.
The ones they are qualified for, or alternatively start your own business, start Amazon, build an app, build a website, clean houses, mow lawns, become a small brewer, wash cars, be smarter than me and figure out something even better. There is an endless list of ways to earn money in this country.
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Old 09-08-2018, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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The ones they are qualified for, or alternatively start your own business, start Amazon, build an app, build a website, clean houses, mow lawns, become a small brewer, wash cars, be smarter than me and figure out something even better. There is an endless list of ways to earn money in this country.
Money shouldn't be the objective being as it allows private forces to control goods people need.

And resources are limited as well as markets to produce money (mainly through consumerism). If everyone was successful, the capitalist model would fail.
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Old 09-08-2018, 11:08 AM
 
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Money shouldn't be the objective being as it allows private forces to control goods people need.

And resources are limited as well as markets to produce money (mainly through consumerism). If everyone was successful, the capitalist model would fail.
You are denying property rights and falsely conflating resources and wealth. Again, false premises.

As far as "money", money is a simple tool of trade used to measure value between assenting free men.

"To trade by means of money is the code of the men of good will. Money rests on the axiom that every man is the owner of his mind and his effort. Money allows no power to prescribe the value of your effort except the voluntary choice of the man who is willing to trade you his effort in return. Money permits you to obtain for your goods and your labor that which they are worth to the men who buy them, but no more. Money permits no deals except those to mutual benefit by the unforced judgment of the traders. Money demands of you the recognition that men must work for their own benefit, not for their own injury, for their gain, not their loss–the recognition that they are not beasts of burden, born to carry the weight of your misery–that you must offer them values, not wounds–that the common bond among men is not the exchange of suffering, but the exchange of goods. "
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Old 09-08-2018, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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You are denying property rights and falsely conflating resources and wealth. Again, false premises.

As far as "money", money is a simple tool of trade used to measure value between assenting free men.

"To trade by means of money is the code of the men of good will. Money rests on the axiom that every man is the owner of his mind and his effort. Money allows no power to prescribe the value of your effort except the voluntary choice of the man who is willing to trade you his effort in return. Money permits you to obtain for your goods and your labor that which they are worth to the men who buy them, but no more. Money permits no deals except those to mutual benefit by the unforced judgment of the traders. Money demands of you the recognition that men must work for their own benefit, not for their own injury, for their gain, not their loss–the recognition that they are not beasts of burden, born to carry the weight of your misery–that you must offer them values, not wounds–that the common bond among men is not the exchange of suffering, but the exchange of goods. "
Personal property and private property are different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_property
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Old 09-08-2018, 11:30 AM
 
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Personal property and private property are different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_property
I used neither restricting adjective.
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