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Old 08-27-2018, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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explain to us why he doesn't deserve those things then???






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I don't, obviously. My question arises from why so many Americans are blinded by wealth to thinking Bezos personally adds to our economy or earned his money and therefore needs to defended. Why was this simple fact stated by Bernie criticized so?
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Old 08-27-2018, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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explain to us why he doesn't deserve those things then???
Does he produce them?

If the answer is no, then you have your own answer.
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Old 08-27-2018, 08:39 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Does he produce them?

If the answer is no, then you have your own answer.
What if he owns the means/tools of production? What is the compensation for that?
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Old 08-27-2018, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I think you are leaving human nature out of the equation. If the town produces enough but say 20% of the workforce does not show up for work 1/2 the time something will have to give. If it was me I would take some of my fellow workers go to their house and force the person to work with the understanding that if it happened again it would get very ugly.
Then they wouldn’t produce enough. Work load is agreed upon, equal for every worked tasked with a similar objective.

Production is set by demand so if 20% is not filling in their workload production, production would not then meet the base demand (which are needs). In such a case, those same 20% would most likely be the ones who suffer, and the community would not be sustainable at its current population. Even if the 80% produced more individually than would be needed to fulfill the demand of the town all excess production would go to themselves and they’d have no motive to share it with others.

Now, if the type of production allowed for individual efforts to do more in an hour than everyone else does, then it could be agreed upon that they choose their work hours as long as a certain level of production is met by the end of the day or the week or whatever they agree on.
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Old 08-27-2018, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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What if he owns the means/tools of production? What is the compensation for that?
He can’t own what he can’t control. We are confined by our human abilities and limitations.
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Old 08-27-2018, 08:41 AM
 
Location: USA
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Many Americans defend Jeff Bezos because they believe that they will be a billionaire like Jeff Bezos someday.

America is a country where everyone can be far above average if they work hard enough.
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Old 08-27-2018, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Many Americans defend Jeff Bezos because they believe that they will be a billionaire like Jeff Bezos someday.

America is a country where everyone can be far above average if they work hard enough.
Only a few. We have limited resources and the ones who control distribution of wealth are often time the ones who own the capital, not the ones who labor with them.

Input in such a case, never equals output.
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Old 08-27-2018, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Only a few. We have limited resources and the ones who control distribution of wealth are often time the ones who own the capital, not the ones who labor with them.

Input in such a case, never equals output.
Billionaires are rare but the number of millionaires keeps going up .

There isn’t something stopping someone from starting a company like Bezos did . Bezos used to work for someone else before he started Amazon , and he started Amazon small.

Amazon was his idea , he took the risk and he created the opportunity . Everyone thought he was crazy to leave his good job and go sell books on the internet . A lot of people weren’t even buying anything on the internet back then , nothing like now .
Amazon has many employees and they all know their salary before they start the job from the $12 warehouse workers to the programmers making over $100,000 .

What is your solution ? Kick Bezo out of the company and started and redistribute his stock and wealth to the workers ?



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In 2016, the U.S. had 4.8 million millionaires, according to the annual World Wealth Report compiled by Capgemini, a consulting firm. That’s a 7.6 percent increase from 2015, when the U.S. had 4.5 million, and a large jump from 2.5 million living in the U.S. in 2008.”

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Old 08-27-2018, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Billionaires are rare but the number of millionaires keeps going up .

There isn’t something stopping someone from starting a company like Bezos did . Bezos used to work for someone else before he started Amazon , and he started Amazon small.

Amazon was his idea , he took the risk and he created the opportunity . Everyone thought he was crazy to leave his good job and go sell books on the internet . A lot of people weren’t even buying anything on the internet back then , nothing like now .
Amazon has many employees and they all know their salary before they start the job from the $12 warehouse workers to the programmers making over $100,000 .

What is your solution ? Kick Bezo out of the company and started and redistribute his stock and wealth to the workers ?



“The United States has long been home to the largest amount of millionaires in the world — and that number just keeps growing.

In 2016, the U.S. had 4.8 million millionaires, according to the annual World Wealth Report compiled by Capgemini, a consulting firm. That’s a 7.6 percent increase from 2015, when the U.S. had 4.5 million, and a large jump from 2.5 million living in the U.S. in 2008.”

This Is How Many Millionaires Live in the U.S. Right Now | Money
The goal of a society should never be to amass the most control for each individual (as that creates excess consumerism, abuse of labor, and authoritarian control).

The goal of society should be to allow each individual to live and produce by their own free will and human abilities (not the cumulative abilities of others, whose capital is considered yours by the state).
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Old 08-27-2018, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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While I’m thinking about it, I’d like to stress to No_Recess and others like him that anarchists, while agreeing with Marx and communists on equal access to labor for every individual, and communal living for those who so choose, the disagreement arose when the likes of Bakunin pointed out that the communists leave out personal freedoms, and that central authorities exist by the same logic that private capitalists and dictators do, the (flawed) logic of invisible power.
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