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True in regards to the bold. I think because it was a spin-off too of "All in the Family" which was an excellent show IMO - they already had good chemistry on the show. Marla Gibbs - as the maid Florence was a great addition to the show and she and Sherman Hemsley were great together too.
FWIW even though I didn't like the white parent stuff of Diff'rent Strokes, I loved that show too and thought other than Arnold's corny catch phrase that it was a good show. I also loved "Fact of Life." Diff'rent Strokes and Facts of Life were some of my favorite shows as a child interestinlgy Facts of Life was a spin off too!...hmmmm
Was watching Facts of Life a couple weeks ago while doing my daughter's hair and she was REALLY into it when I got done I was going to change the channel but she wanted to finish watching it and watch the next episode. Another of my favorites in the 80s was "Mama's Family" and I still watch that one too. I think that one would be just as good with a black cast if it was casts well or an Asian family or an hispanic family. I'd love to see a reboot of it as I really loved that show.
Well perhaps on the spin off......
.................but personally, I hated All in the Family. I found it incredibly boring and quite depressing. It is not part of the library but The Jeffersons is and a big part of that is that it consists of a wonderful cast.
Diff'rent Strokes, I don't know in that I don't know why I find it appealing. It may be that it touches on those sub stories that not only I find appealing but also, have experienced. For example, when my brother was teaching at a military school, he brought home with him for Christmas two sons of a high Arab businessman. Why? Their father wanted them to experience events of other parts of the world.
"The Facts of Life" I never saw; it was on when I was in college and didn't have TV and then when I was in the service. As to "Mama's Family", well there is the point of the cast again of a show not being my cup of tea.
.................but personally, I hated All in the Family. I found it incredibly boring and quite depressing. It is not part of the library but The Jeffersons is and a big part of that is that it consists of a wonderful cast.
Diff'rent Strokes, I don't know in that I don't know why I find it appealing. It may be that it touches on those sub stories that not only I find appealing but also, have experienced. For example, when my brother was teaching at a military school, he brought home with him for Christmas two sons of a high Arab businessman. Why? Their father wanted them to experience events of other parts of the world.
"The Facts of Life" I never saw; it was on when I was in college and didn't have TV and then when I was in the service. As to "Mama's Family", well there is the point of the cast again of a show not being my cup of tea.
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I love "All in the Family" but only the earlier seasons. And especially the seasons where the Jeffersons were their neighbors. I think it's interesting that the political discussions on the show are still pretty relevant today when I re-watch the show.
I also think Diff'rent Strokes had great writers and stories, which is why the parent thing didn't get to me so much. Before "Facts of Life" came on my daughter and I watched "Diff'rent Strokes" and it was an episode where Arnold did an undercover investigation at his school about high school athlete's using steroids on the football team - a pretty serious but well written and funny episode. But in general, I thought it odd that Arnold and Willis didn't have any black family to take them in after their parents died. It was weird to me. Black people have big families lol. And back then, I knew kids whose parents had died - their family took them in. My own dad and his sisters - their parents (my grandparents) died when they were young (aged 7-19 for 5 kids) and their grandparents took them in and raised them and the rest of the family helped. It was just strange to me that the needed white people to take care of them and that their parents would trust a non-family member white man to take care of them. It wasn't realistic IMO, but they had some great writers (and I loved the opening song - Facts of Life too lol).
A lot of people don't remember "Mama's Family." Vicki Lawrence's character reminded me of my own grandmother in a way so I adored that show - mostly her being very...I'll say "vocal" about things in her way. The best episodes were when Carol Burnett was on the show playing Mama's daughter Eunice - Eunice was one of my favorite characters. I also loved Betty White's character as the older sister.
The sad dialogue here is that color even matters in such a reboot.
The original Bewitched has no reason to be any color at all. Could be anyone in the roles as it's a simple witch/mortal story. Because there are constant cries of discrimination, and living in a politically correct world, it seems there are forced hands in Hollywood to appease groups of people and strive to be "in the middle", whatever that means.
I only care about the screenwriting, and how the acting is on screen.
Yes - she dumbed herself down for her dumb man....
I noticed this on the show too and it got on my nerves. I find it odd that you are taking issue with the reboot because the synopsis of the plot mentions it will be the same - the woman will dumb herself down and use her powers to help her man.
Are you upset that she is black or a single mother only? Because the rest seems the same to me.
Note, it encouraged women to also do this - reign our powers in for the benefit of men and/or our families/children.
Men make sacrifices for their families too.
I think Darren had it the worst. His wife and MIL could turn him into a sea slug at any time. Guy had to walk on eggshells, but this was a love story. Yes a mixed marriage for sure.
I love "All in the Family" but only the earlier seasons. And especially the seasons where the Jeffersons were their neighbors. I think it's interesting that the political discussions on the show are still pretty relevant today when I re-watch the show.
As it might be said, to each their own.
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......But in general, I thought it odd that Arnold and Willis didn't have any black family to take them in after their parents died. It was weird to me. Black people have big families lol. And back then, I knew kids whose parents had died - their family took them in. My own dad and his sisters - their parents (my grandparents) died when they were young (aged 7-19 for 5 kids) and their grandparents took them in and raised them and the rest of the family helped. It was just strange to me that the needed white people to take care of them and that their parents would trust a non-family member white man to take care of them. It wasn't realistic IMO, but they had some great writers (and I loved the opening song - Facts of Life too lol).
Different ways of seeing the story. I see in the eye of Flint on Star Trek, where Rayna is the daughter of employees of Flint and he takes her on as his daughter when they died (so for the story he told the landing party). Or in The Name of the Rose where Adso von Melk is the son of a Baron who sent him off to be with William von Baskerville. Or a visiting noble who asks Lord Whitman if the respected groomsman is another of his sons in "Cry of the Banshee". Or in "Ben-Hur" where Quintus Arrius adopts slave Ben-Hur as his son. Wards of Peace where children are exchanged as hostages against war among neighboring kingdoms. Lady Terisa of Morgan (right? haven't read the book in years) in "The Mirror of her Dreams".
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A lot of people don't remember "Mama's Family." Vicki Lawrence's character reminded me of my own grandmother in a way so I adored that show - mostly her being very...I'll say "vocal" about things in her way. The best episodes were when Carol Burnett was on the show playing Mama's daughter Eunice - Eunice was one of my favorite characters. I also loved Betty White's character as the older sister.
Oh, I remember it. They showed it in syndication right before the Saturday line up, so its ending credits got caught on the tape. It was for me of why not a question of the cast and I don't like yelling and screaming in my comedy. As far as the cast goes, I would rather watch The Andy Williams Show than the Carol Burnett Show.
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These SJW remakes are always terrible shows and movies because SJWs have no imagination. They think that having a gay, black or female character automatically makes it good. There's a reason movies like Solo, Ocean's 8 and Ghost Busters 2016 did poorly. I say don't watch it. The show will be cancelled if it gets low ratings.
Different ways of seeing the story. I see in the eye of Flint on Star Trek, where Rayna is the daughter of employees of Flint and he takes her on as his daughter when they died (so for the story he told the landing party). Or in The Name of the Rose where Adso von Melk is the son of a Baron who sent him off to be with William von Baskerville. Or a visiting noble who asks Lord Whitman if the respected groomsman is another of his sons in "Cry of the Banshee". Or in "Ben-Hur" where Quintus Arrius adopts slave Ben-Hur as his son. Wards of Peace where children are exchanged as hostages against war among neighboring kingdoms. Lady Terisa of Morgan (right? haven't read the book in years) in "The Mirror of her Dreams".
I do think it is different ways of seeing it.
Probably because as a black kid in the 1980s, I knew black people whose parents had died and they were raised by black family members. Kids think pretty much in terms of how they live first and foremost.
None of the other scenarios are really the equivalent of 1980s USA black America. In the 1980s USA black America - if your parent dies - then your aunties/uncles or your grandparents or godparents raised you - not a rich white man lol. So for me it was not realistic.
Like people today think everything is an "agenda" to get Americans to like gays or more diverse people - I've discussed this sort of thing with my spouse - because we are kind of nerdy and have these sorts of discussions often about old TV shows and the way we view them way back then and how they come off today - and I posed to my husband that in many ways the 1970s and 1980s were trying to "normalize" black people on TV and it was somewhat of an "agenda" because the populace liked TV shows that featured black people so they could pretend they knew some black people or could be friends with a black person if they didn't know any in real life. It was safer to present a black character under a white person - so people could befriend a black person, but not be too overly bombarded with too much blackness.
Looking back on it with an adult perspective, I also see the whole "white savior complex" sort of thing going on, especially in relation to my childhood thoughts about me wondering where Arnold and Willis' family were and why didn't the family take them. It kind of comes across that black parents are worse for black children than white people are - that we do not have the means to take care of our children and that if the white man wasn't there they'd have been left to the wind so to speak. So as an adult, I have a lot of issues with the show from a perspective like the OP seems to have about the Bewitched reboot that it doesn't seem he can admit to lol. For me, it really is a racial thing in that that show and Webster - showed black children as being better off with white people.
I didn't think that at the time and because I didn't, I don't get upset letting my daughter watch that show. I do think they had some good storylines.
I thought Bewitched does too watching the reruns and for me, the OP and other's thoughts that this is showing a white man bufoon is kind of disingenuous as white men and men in general are often shown as buffoons on TV and have been for a long time and it doesn't seem to bother these men until there is a non-white caste member in the show as a lead or recurring role who is smarter than the white man. The white woman being superior in the past was okay (until these men got way too into being upset about feminism lol).
Like people today think everything is an "agenda" to get Americans to like gays or more diverse people - I've discussed this sort of thing with my spouse - because we are kind of nerdy and have these sorts of discussions often about old TV shows and the way we view them way back then and how they come off today - and I posed to my husband that in many ways the 1970s and 1980s were trying to "normalize" black people on TV and it was somewhat of an "agenda" because the populace liked TV shows that featured black people so they could pretend they knew some black people or could be friends with a black person if they didn't know any in real life. It was safer to present a black character under a white person - so people could befriend a black person, but not be too overly bombarded with too much blackness.
I don't know, there were shows with black characters not "under" a white person. And they were just popular tv shows. White people are not always thinking about white guilt or virtue signaling. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. When sitcoms were huge black people got sitcoms too and if they were good, they were viewed. Same as music or any entertainment.
James Bond was suppose to be an experienced agent who was recruited from the Royal Navy and had done lots of intelligence work before he got the 00 designation. So when "Casino Royale" showed him acting like a kid in the candy store, I turned off the franchise and have not gone back to it.
Now one can say, "But that flick showed how he matured" but that's not the point for he was suppose to be matured before he got the 00 designation.
Which, I suppose in the current discussion, takes us right back to 1967 in that ........
Sir James: From now on, all remaining agents and trainees will be known as James Bond 007, including the girls. Cooper: Won't that be rather confusing, sir? Sir James: Exactly! The enemy won't know which way to turn. You are now, James Bond. Miss Moneypenny: Congratulations, 007. Cooper: And you, 007, sir. Sir James: Good hunting, 007!
(from Casino Royale (1967))
Oh, that version of Casino Royale was a spoof of the original series. I think it came about due to lawsuits and wrangling over rights to the story. With Peter Sellers, David Niven and Woody Allen, right?
I honestly wonder what Walt Disney himself (seeing as The Walt Disney Company has owned ABC since 2/9/1996) would think this of his move, let alone the SJW practices in various American media the last 5 years.
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